Who won the VP debate?

Gov. Sarah Palin (R)
42% (680 votes)
Sen. Joe Biden (D)
52% (844 votes)
It was a tie
6% (104 votes)
Total votes: 1628

  120     October 3, 2008 - 9:24pm | katebuckingham

Biden nails it

HAHAAHA Pitbull Palin was a disaster!!

"We're gunna get'cha, by darn dog'gone it!" She sounded a lot like Bush!!! Seriously, this is who Americans want as the 2nd leader of their country?

She couldn't stop regurgitating Republican verbal diarrhea--- such empty words, with no substance.

BIDEN SPOKE ABOUT THE ISSUES and time and time again had to correct her lies and fabrications.

VOTE OBAMA

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  119     October 3, 2008 - 7:10pm | Goheidigo

Mediocre At Best

Can't think of what was more offensive, Palin's running off at the mouth and not even answering most of the questions or her continually winking at the camera. As long as you answer the question, I don't care if you use "straight talk" or not, but she doesn't seem to understand that her cutesy behavior is not enough anymore. Palin did not present any clear cut plan, whether it be hers or McCains. Just because there were low expectations and she didn't make a complete fool of herself would hardly give her the title of winner at this debate.

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  118     October 3, 2008 - 5:19pm | Ursuspolaris

Truth is...

Palin is riding the benefits brought to our state by a real Maverick...Gov. Jay Hammond. Palin likes to suggest that she opposes taxes...but we obtain 95% of our state budget from where? Taxes and lease payments on the rich oil companies. We have, in essence, a socialised economy more akin to Norway. We use that money to help us reduce or eliminate all our other taxes...and still, except for the remoteness, have good schools, hospitals, and lifestyles. Heck, we even get dividends!

But that's not what Gov. Palin was defending in this debate AT ALL? She was advocating massive cuts ON the wealthy corporations. McCain wants to do away with union-employer negotiated health care polans...and make people seek out private policies without the benefits of "the power of scale". Do away with SSI and put that money into private accounts...well we can all see what wuld have happened...just look at your 401K's.

Or look at our gov't controlled investment fund was doing great (at least until the deregulation measures advocated by McCain allowed these companies to consume their own markets down there in the lower 49).

The more she's up in front of the national stage passing on these deceptions, I'm embarassed and worried about what the blowback will be.

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  117     October 3, 2008 - 9:28am | Zardoz

Palin much better than expected

After her recent interviews, it was doubtful Palin possessed the intelligence to speak, let alone read. Last night she proved she could read. Refusing to answer the proffered questions allowed her to read the note cards she had.

If an Alaskan Joe 6-Pack earns $250,000 per year & has $1.2M in assets, I need to relocate from the lower 48. If she is considered anything except an embarrassment to Alaskans, I would like to contribute to your secessionist party & wish it well. There is more than enough stupidity in the lower 48 already.

From reading your paper (which she could not name the other night), I am somewhat pleased to see that after she & McShame lose next month, she will be returning for possible impeachment proceedings for abuse of power & obstruction of justice charges. Only inference I can deduce when one stonewalls an ethics investigation is that they are guilty & willing to perpetrate additional violations to protect themselves.

Sounds eerily like Richard Nixon. She also wants more power than Cheney has illegally taken & I suspect she will not be satisfied (if elected) until she gets to shoot 2 hunting buddies in the face. lol

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  116     October 3, 2008 - 8:36am | itsdaisy_101

Hey, I Can Talk In Circles, Too!

I don't like either candidate but I must say, when McCain drops dead within the next four years, the last person I want in office is Palin. That would be a tragedy. I have two school-age daughters and the last person I want them to look up to is Palin. I've never heard such an incompetent speaker who talks in circles around real issues in my life. We don't need a charming, winking idiot in or near office. What kind of message does that send to the people of the country? Apparently, 40something% of you buy into that crap, which is a shame.

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  115     October 3, 2008 - 7:57am | urban_eskimo

lol, obamaniacs

You obamaniacs are a riot. For all his vaunted "experience" bidon couldn't deliver a knockout. How sad the nobama/bidon ticket must be for the ticket has been exposed as a stale, dry ticket.

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  October 3, 2008 - 8:11am | slphilip

Waste of oxygen

Too dumb for a response--->urban_eskimo.

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  October 3, 2008 - 7:59am | darrelljohnson3962

"wants to change the

"wants to change the presidential seal and refuses to wear our country's flag." That would make me vote for Sarah right there. She hasn't been tainted by Washington politics, because she doesn't know anything about it. Besides, she'll be getting the same old handlers that have been behind the scenes in Republican government since the Nixon era.

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  October 3, 2008 - 7:26am | pleistoceneeinstein

What are Palin's "great

What are Palin's "great plans for our country?"
That's what I thought; no one knows.

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  October 3, 2008 - 7:14pm | Goheidigo

Palin's plans for our

Palin's plans for our country? To get herself elected as President.

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  October 3, 2008 - 7:16am | capricorn1

You must be one of those who

You must be one of those who makes more than a quarter million dollars. The free ride is over baby. The tax loopholes and havens will be abolished!
Small business and the middle class will prosper! Amen.

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  113     October 3, 2008 - 6:55am | caramellust

Palin Should Not Represent the U.S. or Women in the U.S.

Palin was still vague and basically tried to flirt her way into the American vice-presidency. Winking, smiling smugly, forcing the debate to focus on her running partner, not her own view points. If that is how Palin will represent a woman in the White House, I do not want her to represent our Country or Women in the U.S.

C. Rice is a better representative of the intelligent women we have in the U.S.

And support another SURGE? What, after they take more money from the American people to support all of the failing programs? We need to vote correctly and make sure we have a government that realizes we need help saving people in our own Country now.

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  October 3, 2008 - 8:00am | darkdakota

Condi Rice? God Help Us!

The worst National Security Advisor made clueless Secretary of State? That woman has a oil tanker named after her. That should tell you who her true masters are...clue: it's not the American people or her God.

Sarah Palin's not owned by big oil and has America and her God in her heart. That alone after the Corrupt Bastards Club, Bu$h & Company War Profiteers Inc., The Pelosi/Reid incompetent Senate and Congress, et al. makes her more qualified then Rice.

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  112     October 3, 2008 - 6:51am | tr1268

Setting the bar low...real low.

Once again, diminished expectations on behalf of a republican candidate result in "success". Bravo, she managed on occasion to complete a sentence. Should we be impressed ? Standing her ground ? On what ? She clearly had no command or grasp of necessary policy facts or details with which to "stand her ground" on. Responding to a question about Israeli-Palestinian conflict and the possibility of a two state solution, our deep thinking Gov. responded; "a two-state solution, building our embassy also in Jerusalem, those things that we look forward to being able to accomplish with this peace-seeking nation." Sound vaguely and incoherently familiar ? Yeah... like Bush... in a skirt.

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  October 3, 2008 - 8:36am | pitterpatterofpaws

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Yup! Palin is only fluff. She DID learn her lines real well, though. (For the most part) The bar WAS set real low for her.

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  October 3, 2008 - 8:09am | slphilip

YES!

Totally!

Setting the bar so low that stumbling over it is considered a 'success'. That's pretty sad for the greatest nation in the world. But it is typical repuglican...so dumb that not failing is considered succeeding. We can do better. Biden hit a home run last night and crushed the pretty cheerleader. They're done..McSame campaign collapses in defeat in Michigan today...leaving in shame.

McSame/McPalin: Crash and Burn '08

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  111     October 3, 2008 - 6:47am | stingo1167

Joe Biden reinforced my decision

I've been 100% with Obama/Biden. Now I'm 200% behind them and would also strongly support a Biden presidency. I didn't know much about him except what the mainstream media feeds us, but he showed me he has what it takes. Obama 2008! Biden 2016!

--Jerry

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  October 3, 2008 - 6:57am | robak03

He's 66 years old.

In 8 years, he'll be 74. No.

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  October 3, 2008 - 8:06am | slphilip

Moronic logic

Hahaha..you moron! Your guy is ALREADY 72 and has one foot in the grave as we speak!

In a hundred years, Biden will be 166!

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  October 3, 2008 - 7:19am | me_in_ak

How old is McCain again?

How old is McCain again?

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  110     October 3, 2008 - 6:45am | assmc45

climate idiots two

Sun suggests cold period is more likely, if solar output remains low. Which is why politicians are so anxious to pass carbon BS laws, so they can say "we did it! we stopped the global warming!" It's about time for an ice age. People have become too stupid...we need a big famine and cold spell to put us in our place. Did anyone ask the plants? Plants love CO2. What if plants decided to get together and cap oxygen emissions? Plants can communicate, it's known as the Backster Effect, so we need to negotiate with plants and ask them to up their oxygen output. People who don't know what they don't know are very dangerous, especially when they get into the business of trying to control the weather.

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  109     October 3, 2008 - 6:37am | dorothyanchorage

Sarah looked and sounded like an idiot!!

Whats with the winking into the camera? Is that to impress some uneducated hockey player? Why couldn't she answer 25% of the question asked to her? Didn't anybody see her ridiculous Kaity Couric interviews? All she can do is memorize a few one liners and babble the rest of the time!!

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  October 3, 2008 - 7:12am | kattyjones

dorothyanchorage

I think she did very good. She is a professional.

Could you do any better?

MCCAIN/PALIN 2008

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  October 3, 2008 - 7:16pm | Goheidigo

Better than a "professional

Better than a "professional idiot"? Maybe not, but then again I wouldn't try out for a job that I was completely unqualified for.

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  October 3, 2008 - 8:01am | kenaifishrmn

You know what? Probably not

You know what? Probably not unless I was coached 24/7 for a week beforehand. But that's the whole point. We shouldn't be electing me, or you, or some random person down the street. We should be electing someone who knows what they are talking about, someone intelligent who could solve problems and who has their own opinion without being told what it is. And that person is not Sarah Palin Have you noticed how much she's changed since the campaign from outside has taken over?

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  108     October 3, 2008 - 6:27am | RB124

She didn't suck too much

That's as good as I expected her to do. But the "darn rights" and "doggone its" and "I betchas" and winks don't belong in a debate for the 2nd highest office in the nation, they belong at a PTA meeting. Is that how she's going to speak with heads of state? "Gee, Mr. Akmadinejad, it would be swell if you could get rid of those gosh darn noo-ku-lar weapons, pretty please? *wink*"

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  October 3, 2008 - 12:37pm | meanestwintergal

You are so cruel

I live in the Lower 48, and previously thought one of the main reasons you Alaskans elected such a winning CEO is because you've "got it right"--unlike so many of us down here. How disappointing now, to learn that Alaska has so many of its own idiots & venomous people. You sound like a bunch of Easterners! Your worthy governor SAILED through that debate. Her opponent doesn't even have a personality. From where I sit in Montana, Sarah Palin is the brightest new star not only in the Republican Party, but in all of government. The way you ridicule your state's leader is shameful. Too bad you still get oil rebates from her every year. You clearly don't deserve it.

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  107     October 3, 2008 - 6:13am | xlazyc

3rd ticket?

I don't care for Obama. Too many promises to too many people.

I do like Joe Biden; I think he is a tough, well seasoned politician and a great American. I think the same of John McCain. I was happy to see that Palin held her own in the debates. I wish we had a choice to vote for a Biden~McCain, or McCain~Biden ticket.

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  106     October 3, 2008 - 5:54am | MET9

Victory for our Nation

I'm actually relieved that palin didn't turn out to be the flop the media expected her to be. She was very well spoken and it was easy to understand how she had bested her opponents in Alaska. Biden was the professional that he had always been. He stuck to the facts as they related to the questions and didn't allow palin to make him lose his temper. Thats one of the places palin fell very short. That and her actual lack of national and international issues to the point where she wants to continue to support a $10B a month war when our country is suffering so much. I really didn't like the way she switched the subject back to energy every time she didn't have an answer, yet didn't know that science has proved witout doubt that man has caused global warming. The fact that the mccain/palin ticket's refusal to bring closure to "Troopergate" by fighting against the public hearings guarantees their defeat, though.

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  October 3, 2008 - 6:03am | jokeener

Doubt

Science has absolutely not "proved" that global warming is caused by man. Science does not prove anything, it can only disprove hypotheses. Rationally, if man causes global warming, then man must also cause global cooling and climate stasis. Right? Did man cause global cooling over the decades 1940-1980?

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  October 3, 2008 - 5:30pm | Ursuspolaris

That is actually "IRRATIONAL"

that's like saying if humans can cause forest fires, then it must be that all forest fires are created by humans. Simply because humans might influence one pattern of GW (and the major causation of that is the imput of greenhouse gases into the atmosphere) that all incidents of GW are human created.

Of course, no climatologist is saying that. We know that global warming events occurred in the past...for example, about 55 million years ago when frozen methane on the sea floor warmed up and discharged into the atmosphere.

And other times as well. With massive volcanic eruption events (the Deccan traps) or the mass extinctions 280 million years ago.

But there are no massive volcanic eruptions or other such events putting those Greenhouse gases up there. It's us...people...or our agricultural products (cows for our massive hunger for beef). But most of it is taking the massive tropical forests of hundreds and millions of years (i.e. oil) and burning them up!

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  October 3, 2008 - 6:55am | robak03

...really?

Your argument is that if man can cause one thing than surely he can cause the inverse? We can lessen the effects, not reverse them. If I burn a piece of paper, can I return that piece of paper to it's original form?

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  October 3, 2008 - 6:53am | nsfhi

Climate

1940 to 1980, any connection to Nuclear testing and bombs?

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  105     October 3, 2008 - 5:14am | assmc45

climate dopes

Joe said that he wholeheartedly beleives in "man made climate change. On that, they are both dopes. 13 miles below our feet is molten rock...and 1 AU away is the sun. For the past 4.5 billion years these two things have been changing the climate continuously. Let's build pyramids and chop people's heads off to please the God of Greenhouse Gases. Quick --- before the next ice age comes.

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  October 3, 2008 - 6:36am | eeyore23

i love the spin

some people come up with...it's quite pathetic..

sarah palin doesn't even believe the earth is more than 6000 years old -- thus, she doesn't even believe in the very 'cycler' claim she made...the last ice age was about 10,000 years ago.

you do realize there's a hole in our ozone layer that protects us from the sun and its damage yes?

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  October 3, 2008 - 8:06am | AKsmokesalmn

Pooh sez

Chlorofluorocarbons, CFC's, have been shown to be the culprit in the degradation of ozone, which blocks out harmful ultraviolet light. CFC's were developed in the 1930's for industrial uses and then banned after being shown to be harmful to the ozone layer.

CO2 - carbon dioxide - which has been theorized to cause an increase in global temperatures - is produced by animals when we breath, and also as a by-product of burning hydrocarbons.

Some have posited that increased levels of CO2, due to the use of hydrocarbons as an energy source, are the main (or only if you are Joe Biden / Al Gore) culprit / agent for changing temperatures in the global climate.

Changing in the global climate have occurred notible in the last 2 million years, with 20 plus major episodes of continental glaciation, sea levels dropping up to 1,000 feet, AKA real climate change on a real global scale, all before last century.

Scientists posit that such changes in the past are due a combination of periodicity changing in the Earth's orbit pattern around the Sun, and changes in Sun's solar output.

Some people posit that recent changes in the global climate are outside the normal range of possible climate variation on the Earth due to such various in orbit and solar output, and that this change is solely due to hydrocarbon use by humans.

Some people have invented time machines, gone back 10,000 years, and have brought back convincing evidence that whooly mammouths died out because they couldn't figure out how to change the tires on their SUVs.

Some people says burning hydrocarbons is nasty, and evil for the environment. Some of the same people say burning "bio-fuels" is environmentally friendly. Bio-fuels are hydrocarbon chains - which is why motors designed to burn hydrocarbon chains can run on bio-fuels, cause they are hydrocarbon chains.

Some people seem to think that the hand of God has smoothed out the irregularities of the Earth's orbit around the Sun, so that it no longer causes changes in the Global Climate. Some people seem to think that the hand of God has also smoothed out the irregularities in its solar output, so that the Sun now consistently provides the Earth with an even flux of solar radiation over time.

Some people have taken environmental science classes in high school and college. Some people believe environmental "science" classes are a good subsistute for actual science.

Yes - people realize there was a hole in the ozone layer, caused by the use of CFC's. We can all be happy that the use of CFC's was recognized as dangerous, and banned.

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  104     October 3, 2008 - 5:13am | akcowboy

She's not ready to be VP!

She's out of her depth on the national scene; completely lost on the international. Please come home Sarah! Now I'm starting to seriously worry about her being able to handle the gov's chair!

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  October 3, 2008 - 7:20pm | Goheidigo

She needs to come back and

She needs to come back and resolve these outstanding issues like Troopergate. Alaskan folks deserve better.

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  103     October 3, 2008 - 5:10am | robak03

It's hard...

...to attack your opponent, when you have to spend the whole time convincing the world you're not an idiot. Yeah, the only thing Palin won, was the opinion that she may not be "that" stupid. Biden won the facts, and the attacks on McCain. That's what a VP debate is about, attack the other guys boss. Palin had to spend so much time proving she knew...what was on the paper in front of her, that none of her attacks on Obama where driven home. You know alot about energy...we get it, when the questions is about health care, you don't jump back to energy just because it's what you know. Biden won the debate, Palin won some respect back. Gee Golly Gosh Darn Daggum Doggonnit, shes just like me!

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  102     October 3, 2008 - 5:05am | Lower_Mitten_Kitten

America, WAKE UP

While everybody seems distracted by how many times Palin winked during the debate, did anybody bother to LISTEN to what she said:
IFILL: Governor, you mentioned a moment ago the constitution might give the vice president more power than it has in the past. Do you believe as Vice President Cheney does, that the Executive Branch does not hold complete sway over the office of the vice presidency, that it it is also a member of the Legislative Branch?
PALIN: Well, our founding fathers were very wise there in allowing through the Constitution much flexibility there in the office of the vice president. And we will do what is best for the American people in tapping into that position and ushering in an agenda that is supportive and cooperative with the president's agenda in that position. Yeah, so I do agree with him that we have a lot of flexibility in there, ...
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Our founding fathers LIMITED the role of the VP. There is NO FLEXIBILITY!! I'm upset to hear that Gov. Palin is so unfamiliar with our Constitution, especially the checks & balances system which are designed to limit power and lessen abuse of power (see: Troopergate) . In my opinion,it’s further proof that Gov. Palin is un-fit to lead and a clear indication that McCain-Palin is simply a lipsticked version of Bush-Cheney.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vice_President_of_the_United_States

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Separation_of_powers#United_States:_three_branches

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  October 3, 2008 - 5:12am | robak03

Please don't quote...

...wikipedia. Be more responsible than that, I'm going to go negate your reference now.

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  October 3, 2008 - 6:47am | Lower_Mitten_Kitten

Knowledge is Power

Fine, use what ever resources you'd like. Try this one http://www.usconstitution.net/const.html#Article2

The questions remains do you agree that the Constituion is "flexible" as to the role of the V.P.?

Your silence is deafening.

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  101     October 3, 2008 - 4:50am | polarbearlost

Palin Superficial

I felt she didn't do a great deal of damage but her silly winking and less than professional gimmicky slogans, flicking through her cram cards and not answering the questions was pretty apparent.

What was more interesting was on CNN, the fact that the judge ruled that the troopergate investigation would continue and he wouldn't throw it out was a real spoiler for the shady tactics she is using up here.

She always did good in debates but there was no real "debate" that was allowed by the McCain camp. She made mistakes. Biden was solid.

We don't need the winking or the blinking. While we are in a financial crisis, a more serious Palin [if that is possible] would have been more appropriate.

Cute doesn't cut it in a crisis.

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  100     October 3, 2008 - 4:48am | assmc45

Joe Biden is a math debater

Joe Biden is good with numbers...er...he turned this into a big math debate. Joe Biden loves to math debate on TV. (Say it over and over real fast...mathdebate mathdebate...you'll get it). Joe Biden is a chronic math-debater. Joe and B. Hussein Obama love to math-debate on the senate floor too. Mathdebating in public is not becoming of a US senator.

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  October 3, 2008 - 4:53am | capricorn1

That's what you got out of

That's what you got out of last night? Now I understand.

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  99     October 3, 2008 - 4:43am | capricorn1

Debate

Unfortunately for all her bubbliness and winks to the American people she did nothing but memorize and deliver more of her talking points. She would been somewhat more credible if she had answered all the questions to the best of her ability as Biden did.

For all you undecided's out there this video is a must see:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PdJUCU1UH2w

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  October 3, 2008 - 5:23am | clarity

Excellent Video!

Every person should view this video. Thanks, Capricorn. I will make sure to share it with as many as possible.

Sarah and her McCain camp has attempted to make a mockery of Alaska's judicial system. Her promotion of aerial killing of our wildlife along with lack of respect and protection of all wildlife in general, and disrespect for our environment is another embarrassment that has weighed heavily on many Alaskans (if not the world).

Enough is enough!! OBAMA/BIDEN 2008!

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