September 7, 2008 - 6:26pm | akwapsc

Governor Palin

is ready for the big time.

What makes these other folk so special?

Is not Alaska a state and a part of the US of A?

Do you gotta be from NY, Chicago, CA or Texas to run this place? What's up with that?

You got me on the pastors.

But her faith is genuine and is reflected in her daily walk.

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  September 7, 2008 - 10:16pm | peter1

I have read of her actions

I have read of her actions in Alaska politics as governor. She appears to be distancing herself from the Wasilla churches that promote delusional religious thinking. I hope so. Do we really need a vice presidential candidate who believes God sends terrorists into countries to punish them (in this case, the visiting pastor believed Israeli terrorist problems were a result of divine retribution against Jews)? According to today's ADN story, McCain's team has denied that Palin was present in church on the day of this message. Let's hope so. On second thought -why would she be present there at all?

Another of Palin's pastors believes that oil drilling in Alaska should be opened carte blanche so that "end days" refugees to the state, "outsiders" from the lower 48, can be cared for. He expects hundreds of thousands of immigrants. No mention of how this oil will be secured, though, from the oil companies that own it, or who among the Oakies will afford $25 per gallon gas.

I mean you gotta admit this looks pretty flaky. Is this the depth of her religious conviction??? I hope to God not and hope you're right that her faith "is" genuine.

Your land was first served by Russian Orthodox missionaries. My own father grew up on Spruce Island, Kodiak, as a tot. Last year they had a big world-wide Russian Orthodox convocation there to commemorate St. Herman's life on Spruce. I do not believe they fomented such end-of-world tripe.

Rasmussons/Bank of Alaska were Moravian missionaries. I know of their work all over your state. Did they, too, foment the pap that Palin listened to? Probably not.

The Republican Party, started in Wisconsin, 1854. Once the "working man's party", and family's home, worse winters than Alaska.

http://www.wisconsinhistory.org/turningpoints/search.asp?id=137

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  September 8, 2008 - 9:20am | akwapsc

candidates are not the pastors

thanks be to God.

I don't see Barrack's pastor as being any more sane than Sarah's old pastor. She doesn't go to that church anymore.

And I doubt there is one parishioner in any church anywhere in the world that believes each and every detail of their Christian faith as laid out by their pastor.

What you are attributing to Sarah Palin is just what her pastor said or believes, not what she said or believes.

Cannot have it both ways Pete. Either you make both Barrack and Sarah totally responsible for their pastors or you separate them, which is what a normal person would do.

btw, who are McCain and Biden's pastors.

bobbyt

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  September 8, 2008 - 10:21am | peter1

Here is McCain's pastor,

Here is McCain's pastor, already a thorn in his side:

http://blogs.wsj.com/washwire/2008/05/13/mccain-backer-john-hagee-apologizes-to-catholics/

According to yesterday's ADN article Palin continues to attend a church preaching divine retaliation against Israel. Palin's comments that God sanctioned the Iraq War is a little far-fetched, too.

Barack's friendship with Jeremiah Wright came close to costing him his nomination. The US public did not "separate" Obama from his pastor, holding him 100% responsible for his actions.

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  September 6, 2008 - 11:38am | akwapsc

UFA backed FHM in the primary BUT

From August 23-4 or whatever it was, UFA supported Sarah Palin for Governor with the most active and near unanimous support UFA has put together for Governor (Murkowski 2002 notwithstanding)-- lacking one group statewide for completely unanimity.

Governor Murkowski was my personal favorite and was and is a good friend as well. But as much positive as he and his administration did for the commercial fishing industry- for the men and women in Carhart's and Grundens on the water- Palin's support from UFA represented a far broader mandate.

Oh. And I read garbage on here about how UFA is corporate fatcats. BS. UFA is boots on fishermen. Kenai Peninsula Fishermen's Association, Alaska Trollers Association, SEAS, ADA, United SE Gillnetters, etc, etc. Say what you will, Taufen, et. al., but there is no other than UFA.

I won't get into numbers but you just know that Sitka, downtown Juneau and Homer weren't overwhelming fans... the difference was that our groups in these areas ( which didn't give the popular vote to Palin either) voted Palin in 2006 when they were Ulmer or just non-Murkowski folk before back in 2002.

UFA and myself as Pres at the time fully and unflinchingly supported Sarah Palin for Governor..... and all of the trawlers, gillnetters, seiners, setnetters, longliners, crab fishermen, dive fishermen, tendermen, shrimpers.... am i forgetting someone... from Kodiak, Petersburg, Juneau, Cordova, Dutch Harbor, Sand Point, Kenai, Homer,Dillingham, Naknek, Ketchikan, Sitka, Wrangell, Haines, Pelican, Hoonah, Valdez, Anchorage, Girdwood, Anchor Point, Nikiski, Kake, Craig, Klawock, Hydaburg, Angoon and a few other spots....

Some of our districts, Kodiak, Ketchikan(pre-bridge cancellation of course), Kenai, for instance, were about an average of 65% in the general.
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On another note,
Seems Lu Dochtermann and I are working on races in the Juneau valley together. Gee, Lu, you should look up the APOC laws before spending your hard earned cash down here in Juneau, running ads. What kind of group or nongroup were you using and just where did you get that money.... can I look that up on APOC right now or did you Groundswellers not report it?

What's strange is that you, Steve, or whomever put that together for you, managed to help one of my favorite political leaders, Kathy Engstrom Munoz, whom I probably supported before she even decided to run.

What's that saying about politics making strange bedfellows, Luger?

As for UFA's late support--August 2006-- of the Governor, that was UFA as a group. Many of our individual groups and members from Kodiak, Cordova, Kenai, Juneau and elsewhere were on board with Sarah Palin from the time she announced as they remembered her from 2002's Lt. Gov. race. Well, a couple knew her as mayor and maybe even pre mayor.

But hey, most of you on here, especially Groundswell, are crossovers just to be voting McCain-Palin. Good luck with that. Keep it up though, we need your help. Just leave your Republican credentials at the door.

Go McCain-Palin.

bobbyt

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  September 6, 2008 - 6:54pm | staufen

Frank loved it when you licked his jackboots!

READERS BE ADVISED - BOBBY T (Junior Thorstenson) IS A PAID LOBBYIST FOR THE AT-SEA PROCESSORS WHICH ALSO EMPLOY STEPHANIE MADSEN. HIS POSTS ARE OBVIOUSLY SKEWED TOWARD HIS PAYCHECK.

First, the APOC report that Mr. Dochtermann was required to file was apparently filed within the legal limit. We'd rather talk about your attempts in 2006 to use the "united fishermen of alaska" in a SEAS-paid ad supporting Murkowski against Palin... and why APOC told you that was not nice. Is that renegade misrepresentation just one of the many reasons UFA got rid of you as president?

Which also brings up the point that you appear to resent others who place political ads, as if only you have a right to a voice in Alaska. Had you noticed that it was the Juneau Empire who chose to run two copies of Lu's list of questions about Madsen on election day, Tuesday! Lu did not even know about it until the paper did it. Do you think maybe a few folks in SE Alaska have a little problem with a few of you quislings? Write them a complaint.

And quit lying to the world about Lu having a problem with APOC - as he (who would have been among the first to know) has not been notified of such. He filed the papers on the creative, legal, political ad that he paid for. Ask APOC. And quit carrying the water on blogs for your chicken-s$%T members who won't accuse Lu on their own --- what did they give you, a dingy on one of the Factory Trawlers for it? Or just your LOBBYING FEES = which we hope you fully declared with APOC, BTW.

Second, I never even saw Lu's ad on the flag incident until requesting it be sent to me, AFTER it had run. I already won that issue with the Secretary of Commerce and Director of NOAA Fisheries a long time ago, and presented Stephanie a flag and new At-Sea slogan shirt at the Sitka NPFMC meeting - which you would know if you ever attended national fisheries meetings instead of working behind closed doors only.

Third, it was up to Stepanie to win - and I did not want to be the one to so easily take her out - and if she lost, to realize she failed on her own. Groundswell was prepared to handle matters in future Legislatures. Unbeknownst aforehand to me, Lu placed the ad - which you might know, because I would have said she worked on the Council for the PSPA foreign interests. But technically, she did take a day job with her for At-Sea. Ask MacGregor and he'll tell you I would have stressed the Japan Inc. part instead.

Fourth, no one at Groundswell has ever said they'd be voting for McCain-Palin yet. They have to earn it first. And starting out with stage show politics is a poor start, because the/any Representative Republic is threatened in general by the trend of popularly elected officials over those with merit. This is a topic I discussed in Central America with presidential candidates in 1997 - coherent with Patrick Kennon's (ex-CIA country-political specialist) published work on "The Twilight of Democracy." Yes, I would recommend Sarah and McCain read that, too.

Fifth, there's nothing remarkable in your earlier support of "any Alaska Republican" candidates as they butter your bread. Have you ever chosen any one based on merit, or simply on what's in it for you -- instead of in the Nation's best interests?

Six - "there is no other than UFA" - what? Do you not realize the groundswell of opinion you are up against? Or has isolationism gotten the best of you? But you are correct, UFA is jackboots on fishermen's throats!

And last but not least, everyone knows Bubba will make you will flinch, soon enough.

PS: why weren't you at Suncadia Golf Course for the Seafood Invitational (legal defense and campaign) fundraiser for Don Young, on Friday? No invite? You can read about it on AlaskaReport...

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  September 7, 2008 - 6:21pm | akwapsc

"bubba will make you flinch?"

guess that's a slam on bubba, whomever that poor soul is.

oh. seems like a racist comment coming from the Taufen.

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  September 7, 2008 - 6:20pm | akwapsc

Everyone knows you're lying....

The Taufen. APA? Me? For how much money.
Tell me. I'll bet they pay me just as much as Trident pays you, the Taufen.

Look it up on APOC. Oops. Must have forgot to report it. Geez. How could I have overlooked that amongst my other dozen clients. Now you've really got me, the Taufen, show me the money.

Never golfed with Congressman Young, although I have financially supported him with hard-earned commfish dollars ever since 1994. I've been invited to this golf thing but I'm always either working, fishing or hunting and cannot fly down for it.

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As for Lu. I applaud your political involvement on behalf of commercial fishermen and their opinions. Expect to see some in Kodiak re: some of your races. You know who we like up there and you'd better get behind them so that we can accomplish some good with Austerman and G. Stevens.

But this was nasty and dirty, to spin something last minute like that. And believe me, I'm not paid by APA for saying that. Those guys have never even bought me a drink or a dinner.

But politics makes strange bedfellows, Lu, and you fell right into mine.

Thanks again, Lu.
And if I thanked the Taufen before, I guess I renounce that if he's really telling the truth about the ad.

But as for me working for APA, show me the contract, show me the money. This is why you have no credibility, the Taufen.

You have spun about 30-40 lies about laws I broke, things I did wrongly, illegally, whatever....

It's a junkshow and a joke. That's your game.

And where am I? Oh. Now you'll say I really wasn't in Europe this summer but that I was serving time. Yeah. Just a couple of months for a lightweight like me. And imagine, APA still pays me under the table, as you allege. Mighty big risk takers I must say.

Still standing and doing just fine thank you.
I haven't even got a traffic ticket in a few years.

As for UFA "getting rid of me as President" after 7 years, that is the most bizarre retelling of history. Certainly I always got a handful of votes against me those 7 years. I wasn't the most polished or popular but we got about 50 bills passed during that time and did a lot of good things for commercial fishermen in this great state.
And when I left I left on my own timing. 7 years as President of anything is too much, especially on that scale of volunteerism.

If I was so bad, then why did the 30 some odd groups keep me year after year, for 7 straight years and then elect my vice president, the very accomplished Mr. Joe Childers, after I retired. That's how it was, the Taufen.

bobbyt

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  September 9, 2008 - 11:24pm | staufen

Knew that would get your goat.

That was fun. Everyone knows it is the lying sack of Siberian sheep known as the Alaska Crab Coalition whom you parlay for... And you'll notice that no one from At-Sea responded. Now, answer us this - aren't they a member of UFA who paid you as president. Any truth will do.

And please, everyone can hear your lipsucks as you try to kiss up to whomever you need in Juneau these days. Got out that old needle and twine and sewing up the political net did ya?

Oooh, ouch... those sticks and stones broke my bones... but aren't you a little embarassed to be calling people liars? Your employer Thomson is world class! - as the recent NMFS study on crab crews clearly evidences. But we forgive you, as you've told so many you no longer know where they begin and end and when the truth was ever told...

No one ever said you golfed with anyone did they? You probably caddied.

There is one human race. And Bubba is just a big guy who will love your frequent homophobic references to brokeback this and thats. Quit dreaming he will be well, special for you.

As to Lu, he's not stupid enough to buy into your making up, after you slammed him. And please tell us whether or not APOC ever did fine you on the SEAS/UFA ad supporting Murkowski. We're too lazy to look... as you are very very low hanging fruit these days... and the J team is already on it.

tick tock, tick tock, tick tock....

PS: come on up to the next Council meeting and put your real opinions on the federal record for once. Thomson needs you to be there to fight and struggle to keep that independent crew report off the official records, because it might put him in jail for federal perjury if NOAA gets off its lazy peduncle and prosecutes the liar.

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  September 10, 2008 - 9:46am | akwapsc

the Taufen has lost it.

President of UFA term ended June 30, 2007.

Hired by ACC January 2008.

Last answer to your dim witted questions.

You must be like one of those circus clowns who gets paid for every arrow they shoot, even if there is not a single one that hits the target.

Someone should give you a stuffed animal to play with when you get to meet your friend "Bubba".

bobbyt

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  September 10, 2008 - 9:58am | akwapsc

As for the apoc ad

25 months ago, SEASPAC paid the lion's share of an official, endorsed, fully vetted and voted upon UFA ad.

Never heard a single word from APOC and since that time SEASPAC has contributed to the campaigns of Sarah Palin and about 30-40 other R's and D's around the state.

SEASPAC is the largest commfish pac in the state by about triple. UFA Fishpac is next, although half of tghe money there comes from our members from SE. SEASPAC and UFA Fishpac are what PAC's should be, boots on fishermen who decide on their own to send in money. No union skimmings, no deductions from dues. Just straight up cash from working Alaskan commercial fishermen and women. It's how politics is supposed to work.

SEASPAC is a good PAC. So is UFA Fishpac.

You're grasping for straws, the Taufen.

I did steal some of Childers fries last time we had lunch.

Maybe you could start some new line of thievery and skullduggery along those lines.

What, with at least 2 dozen major lines of wrongdoing that you, Vic Smith and your other buddies have alleged, and nothing. Zip. Nada.

When you all started I was a nothing. Still am really.

But seriously, you folks have made me nothing but money.

I had never even had a job until you all started in with your bizarre allegations and slanderous attacks and now you can just go to APOC and figure out rather quickly what my income is. Almost make as much on land as I do on the water now.

Being attacked by whackjobs and bad people has turned into quite a blessing for me and my family.

Thanks to you the Taufen.

How's it going in Lu's basement. Has the reverse worked well for you. Are you making a career out of smearing the reputations of good people.

bobbyt

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  September 10, 2008 - 10:02am | akwapsc

as for Arni T

I've known Arni for decades.

He is one of the greatest forces for good for commercial fishermen in the state.

And you aren't fit to lick his boots.

Besides, who is to believe a known psychopathic liar who calls someone else a liar. You've got no credibility in our state, the Taufen.

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  September 27, 2008 - 11:34am | staufen

Keep on blaying

you da goat! Sounds like you flipped your lid again! For the last 17 days when we didn't even have time to look for stupid replies, the basement has been getting ready for winter... chased the Ratz out, etc. It's rather fun.

But we sure miss ya at the Crab Committees where not one single UFA representative is there looking out for the crewmembers who do have boots-on-decks. So, that says it all about UFA and how corrupt it really is!

Enjoy yourself... and your freedom while you have it.

BTW - you just admitted that UFA failed to properly list itself as a paying co-sponsor of the ad. THANK YOU!

PS: Do you like how quickly and devastatingly your uncle Ted's trial is going so far?

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  September 6, 2008 - 8:06pm | peter1

Let me guess: does the

Let me guess: does the "Twilight of Democracy" say anything about half-wit evangelicals controlling the Republican party, and National elections and policy? Hmmmm.

Where does Palin fit into this scheme?

Nixon in the '70's couldn't do enough to keep Falwell away from him. Thirty years later, Flat Earth Christians make up 1/3 of the party.

Palin appears warm to their agenda. The damned "country that sent a man to the moon" is now forced to kowtow to their bucktoothed views.

No, today's Republican Party is a bastard grandchild of Ike's party, unrecognizable to the actual money rulers. Palin fits the new image.

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  September 7, 2008 - 1:47am | drdrmann

Commercial fisherman or opportunist?

Come on, that makes anyone who has fished a a few Bristol Bay salmon seasons a full blown commercial fisherman then.

Don't insult the real ones, as many of us have put in thousands of days at sea. Many of those days were in terrible weather, for zero dollars, and great times.

I guess you are more for the stage show politics that the GOP is pushing. For Sarah to say her husband is even a commercial fisherman borderline, since he spends more time on the slope than fishing. I just wonder when he really works on the slope, as he seems to always be by her side.

It's clear that McCain/Palin will lose in November, and then she needs to get back to work on keeping this state healthy and being a full time mother again.

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