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The gigantic Pebble copper and gold prospect in Southwest Alaska is one of the touchiest topics in Alaska today.

In this blog, I'll track news that is significant or interesting about the Pebble project. I'll also try to generate discussion and information sharing about some of the claims and counterclaims about the project, and mining in general.

Please keep your comments courteous and on topic. If you violate the ADN comment policy, your posts will be deleted.

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About Elizabeth Bluemink ebluemink@adn.com

I've been writing about mining in Alaska since 2004 and without a doubt, it is one of the most interesting topics that I cover at the Daily News. I've been a newspaper reporter for the past 10 years. In the Deep South, I specialized in reporting about environmental conflicts and pollution cleanups. For two years, I covered commercial fishing, mining and logging in Southeast Alaska. In my current job as a Daily News business reporter, I write about mining, tourism, Native corporations and other businesses.

Pebble taps John Shively

Posted by Elizabeth Bluemink

Posted: April 2, 2008 - 12:08 pm

** UPDATE **
The Associated Press has filed a full story so I am diverting to other duties. However, I'll post some of my notes from my interviews with Shively and Art Hackney later.
Here's the AP story.

The two mining companies attempting to develop the giant Pebble copper and gold prospect in Southwest Alaska have hired John Shively, a long-time Alaska businessman, as their partnership's chief executive.
Before joining Pebble, Shively worked for one of Alaska's major cruise lines and NANA Regional Corp., the Native corporation that is involved with the state's largest mine, Red Dog.
In a press release today, Shively said the Pebble project is a "tremendous opportunity" for people in the Bristol Bay region and Alaska.
"Our challenge now is to see if we can find a way to work together to develop the resource that's consistent with the values and priorities of local communities, of Alaska Natives and the citizens of this state," Shively said.
He will run the Anchorage-based Pebble Partnership, a 50-50 partnership between London-based Anglo American and Canada-based Northern Dynasty Minerals Ltd.
Shively most recently worked as a vice president of government and community relations for Holland American Line. He also was a commissioner for the Alaska Department of Natural Resources under Gov. Tony Knowles, a chief of staff for Gov. Bill Sheffield and an executive at NANA. He moved to Alaska in 1965 as a VISTA volunteer.
He is currently the board president for the state-wide industry trade group, the Resource Development Council.
To see the Pebble Partnership's press release, click here.

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15 April 3, 2008 - 4:46pm | PuckFebble

Going Beyond Compliance

Seems like a telling choice for Pebble to choose a man to run "The Partnership" because of his experience in pushing through the largest polluter in America.

April 6, 2008 - 2:39pm | ThorZone

Red Dog?

If you are referring to Red Dog, you clearly do not know your facts. You have swallowed the propaganda from the environmentalists hook, line and sinker. Red Dog Creek is far cleaner today than it was before the mine was built.

April 9, 2008 - 8:09am | stymie

According to the EPA, Red Dog Mine

"releases more toxins into the environment than any other mine in the nation." source: Wikipedia

Please explain how Red Dog Mine coincided with a
"far cleaner Red Dog Creek".

April 7, 2008 - 12:51pm | PuckFebble

Nothing against Red Dog

Firstly, I have nothing against Mr. Shiveley personally, nor the existence of Red Dog or others currently in existence and others being developed except Pebble. But lets look at the facts and interpret what they actually mean. Red Dog, according to the EPA is the largest polluter in the country. FACT.
Now I understand that the tailings system is considered pollution. The situation while not the same is very indicitive of the permitting process here. The mining companies make thier claims, and are permitted based on that. When those numbers grossly exceed the claims given by the mining entities there is a failure in the system. A system of which hasnt changed considerably at all since Red Dog went through. Red Dog has violated thier water quality permits well into the hundreds of times.
Plus the reclamation bond at Red Dog is in the neighborhood of $11-15million until very recently. Which is not even remotely close enough to actually complete the scope of work needed at that site when extraction is done.
The permitting process here is obviously not stringent enough in this state, nor does it hold those polluters accountable in ways that discourage further violations.

April 7, 2008 - 4:01pm | Sockeyemark

Good points

.Red Dog fails to live up to it's plan and commitments, so to will Pebble. The system in place is more fluff than substance., all show and no go.
At the end of the day the smell of money will prevail

14 April 3, 2008 - 7:36am | RedGold

Release the science they have now...

It is good to hear that both John and Cynthia Carroll believe "that Pebble must go beyond compliance to ensure that the project can coexist with clean water and healthy fisheries." A good first step would be for them to release the scientific studies that they have completed already. Communication and sharing are important for any relationship to grow and flourish.

If you trust the stakeholders and people of Alaska, share the science.

13 April 3, 2008 - 6:44am | coghillkid

Unadulterated Greed Phenomenon

If you stand to reap millions and billions of dollars, it makes it so much easier to convince yourself "Damn the environment, full speed ahead!" You Pebble supporters are a truly pathetic misguided pack of fools or criminals. Poisons don't kill? Cash in pocket is worth more than a life sustaining countryside? You can't eat gold or copper. When will your greed be satisified? How much is enough? When you have destroyed the Earth and killed all the animals for profit, will that be enough? By the way, I am far from being an extremist, I just think it is necessary that we save this precious ecosystem that supports such a vitally important foodchain that Pebble WILL kill. I do believe in development, but not this. I work hard for my living. I also actually harvest and eat animals myself. I am no extremist, just a realist. STOP PEBBLE.

April 3, 2008 - 7:38am | markaniver

I agree

Not every money making prospect needs to be done. Especially at the cost of another industry.
With the clean water initiatives all we are saying is
keep our waters clean and don't mess with our salmon.

Not a Pebble to be removed from Bristol Bay

12 April 3, 2008 - 3:43am | Fisherlady

England and Canada?

This idea goes from bad to worse. This doesn't just effect Bristol Bay, it effects everyone who buys fish from Bristol Bay. I am very careful to get wild caught fish from Alaska because I know the water is clean and as good as it can be. What do I do after you polute the bay with really dangerous chemicals? I am quite concerned and so should everyone else who depends on you.

11 April 2, 2008 - 11:24pm | CingRed

Congratulations John!

I'm looking forward to your strong leadership, sound judgement, and working with Alaskans. Give it all you got!

10 April 2, 2008 - 7:59pm | ak_iceman2003

Pebble Partnership Sourcewatch?

Anyone have info when Sourcewatch (http://www.sourcewatch.org/) will have a stub up for Pebble Partnership?

PS - great article here:
http://gristmill.grist.org/story/2007/12/25/82533/894

9 April 2, 2008 - 7:21pm | stymie

The Milltown Dam, Clarkfork, Montana contains 2.2 million cubic

yards of contaminated sediments that is now a Superfund cleanup site. The EPA says that the groundwater should be clean again in a decade.

This project was much smaller than the projected Pebble
Mine.

"Simply stated, they took hundreds of millions of dollars of gold and silver and copper out of the side of the mountain and they left us with a century of pollution."
Governor Brian Schweitzer March 18, 2008 Susan Gallagher AP

The essential methods of ore extraction are the same as they were 100 years ago. No matter what else the permitting plans stipulate, there will be a mountain of toxic materials that cannot be contained indefinitely.

April 2, 2008 - 9:33pm | fskc18

please elaborate

on how "ore extraction" is unchanged. Blasting, haulage, dewatering, water treatment, loading, dump management, ARD mitigation, dust suppression, tailings storage, and all the other activities involved with pulling ore from the ground are light years from where they were 100 years ago. Or are you talking about mineral processing? Familiar with froth flotation? SAG milling? CILC circuits? Again, we've come light years in the past century.

April 3, 2008 - 10:21am | stymie

Apparently, you have a financial stake in Pebble Mine.

The burden of proof is on the profiteers to show how man-made disasters like the ones in the western states would never happen again. "Light years ahead"? In technology only, not the fundamental physical and chemical processes, and not the end results. Yes, I'm familiar with mining acronyms, financial ones too.

April 3, 2008 - 4:52pm | rfn

Doggone those evil capitalists!

The sooner we shut down all those corporations and return the ownership of all the means of production to the people the sooner Nirvana will be achieved!

April 3, 2008 - 5:43pm | stymie

Not all capitalists are evil. Communism is a proven failure.

Nirvana is an individual pursuit.

April 3, 2008 - 11:23am | fskc18

a shred of truth!

your right, the burden of proof is on the mine developer. That is why millions and millions of dollars are spent in feasibility studies and and an EIS. My complaint is that opponents like you refuse to even give Pebble that chance to prove itself. Pebble has not even begun the permitting process, it is still an exploration project. The oft quoted mine plans are from the "pre-feasibility" study, a very rough sketch of how things MIGHT look. Wait till the feasibility study is finished, and then I'll listen.
Also, your right, I do have a financial stake in Pebble. I'm an Alaskan. I could benefit from jobs, from taxes paid to my government, and from raw matierials you and I use.

April 3, 2008 - 12:47pm | stymie

Jobs and taxes are also nice. Alaska too.

April 3, 2008 - 6:04am | coghillkid

Entire Ecosystem Safe

Yeah right.

8 April 2, 2008 - 5:58pm | prjasper

Shively

Yea Right/Left!!

Still Greed!!!

Good Ol' Boy TRIES to DESTROY another ECO System for his personal BENIFIT!

Wana Bet the Bear Stearns disaster has nothin' on this??

My Father put himself thru U W by workin' mines in Hatchers Pass in 20's to become mining engineer.

His Matra was Can't make it Clean Don't Do It!@!

7 April 2, 2008 - 5:41pm | batman2

pebblemine

once again people who oppose pebble mine have no answer for a place with a false economy! also the people who oposse pebble mine and other devolpment in that region are pretty quick to ask the goverment for a handout when fishing is not good! asking the goverment for money while opposing devolpment and job opportunieties doesnt seem right to me, and once these enviromentalists get their way they arent going to do a single thing for the local economy,oh well as more locals are forced to leave because of no real jobs guess it opens up more country for all the sport fisherman!

6 April 2, 2008 - 5:06pm | egalite

pebble mine: not in Our Bristol Bay

pebble mine has advertisements on commercial radio. the content of these ads are not true.

isn't it against the law to falsely advertise?

April 3, 2008 - 8:21am | asrcp9

which pebble mine ads

when you say pebble mine ads, are you speaking about ads paid for by Alaskans Against The Mining Shutdown? or people from the Pebble Partnership? you should know both groups have differing agendas.

learn more at www.againsttheshutdown.com

April 3, 2008 - 4:54pm | rfn

It might be nice

to know the names behind both those organizations.

All the names of those who contribute to polluting our pristine airwaves with propaganda and who slaughter trees through requiring the use of extra newsprint to carry their advertising.

Both sides.

April 2, 2008 - 6:02pm | CingRed

Can you please elaborate?

Your message above lacks any supportive evidence of 'false advertisement'.

5 April 2, 2008 - 5:03pm | egalite

less than courteous and off topic comments

my daddy didn't teach me diplomacy, but he taught me right from wrong before he died. what is on or off topic?

adn does a pretty good job, except when commenters post comments the evening before articles are reposted.

carry the all comments through an article's posting until the end...i hate being a guinea pig and having to save my comment in order to repost. it's also a good idea to keep posted comments "alive" for the sake of LE or otherwise.

April 2, 2008 - 5:37pm | ebluemink

off topic...

is when you blog about something, and somebody posts a comment about something unrelated to the topic.

I don't delete anything unless it is offensive but occasionally I'll weigh in to try to get things back on target, like any moderator.

I'm sure if enough people complain about comments disappearing on articles, someone will create a user-friendly way to preserve them. Right now, it's pretty labor intensive. In any case, it's not an issue for any of the ADN blogs.

4 April 2, 2008 - 4:10pm | CingRed

Give Pebble a chance

The anti-mining crowd are not even allowing Pebble to offer a plan. How un-American is that?!

Furthermore, like FSKC18 mentioned mining has made tremendous strides with environmental awareness.

Noboby seems to complaining of the enviromental disasters at Lathouche, Golden, Sutton, or McCarthy. Heck, I bet most Alaskan's do not even know where these places are yet alone they were large mining operations which used archiac mining techniques.

April 2, 2008 - 9:40pm | markaniver

I'm just not willing to put up the Largest Salmon Run to "Chance

Chance,
Lets put something that is unvaluable up for chance, I'm not willing to gamble with the Bristol Bay watershed. It's too valuable to put up for chance, it will feed millions and employ thousnads for eternity if we let it.....
Not a Chance Here!!!

April 8, 2008 - 2:45am | njalo99

thousands??

I don't BBFI employs thousands now,
just a guess

April 2, 2008 - 10:59pm | CingRed

Markaniver

Nice, so we close down businesses before a proposal is even on the table? All based on hearsay and hype. How come mining in Sutton has had no effect the salmon runs in Cook Inlet.? Or, the mining at Latouche hadn't wiped out the salmon fishing in PWS? Lastly Kennicott was the largest copper mine of it's day and yet the COPPER river reds feed millions to this day. So unless you know something more then the average bear I'm waiting for a plan to be drawn up, submitted to the State, and reserving my right to withhold judgement. You should consider the same.

April 3, 2008 - 8:20am | markaniver

seems as though closing down the business of salmon fishing

is ok, look around? Where have all the salmon runs on the west coast gone? They were once as big as Alaska’s; they took a chance there too. Pebble will be the LARGEST OPEN PIT MINE IN THE WORLD. Very different than Sutton, Latouche or even Kennecott.
You’re talking apples and oranges here. Pebble has a plan alright, first is to pump millions of dollars into peoples hands. This will get them on the dole; everyone will get hooked on the easy money. Then in the meantime tell the public there plan is years away (lull you to sleep) then after the dust settles (copper dust! no pun intended) they will come in and take it from us like taking candy from a baby.
Sorry, this savvy Alaskan won't be fooled by the tactic's that big money has been using for centuries.

You take the chance, NO NOT ME!!!!

April 3, 2008 - 6:49am | markaniver

They do have a plan

One of the first things they have to do for this mine to get going is to lower the water table of the mountains they are wanting to remove. There plan is to drill wells and start pumping out the ground water, to the tune of 178 million gallons a day. Guess where this water gets pumped to?? Yes, Lake Illiamna. And once you lower the ground water and start disrupting the watershed of this area you will start a cascade of events that will change the eco system for ever. That is when the upper and lower Talarik rivers go away, the Koktuli river goes away and they remove Frying Pan Lake which produces salmon.
The Kennecott mine was quite different that Pebble. The ore at Kennecott was in larger chunks, while Pebble is a fine dust almost. This will subject to the wind and the rain to spread itself around. Also the rock in the Pebble area is sulfuric; the settling ponds will become sulfuric acid. Not the case with Kennecott.
The track record is already there, like I said not a chance here!!!

3 April 2, 2008 - 1:16pm | Vitez

VISTA, Sheffield, Cruise line, NANA....

This guy's got one strange internal compass. I'd say he's got a nose for whatever direction the wind is blowing.

2 April 2, 2008 - 1:13pm | love2read

Alaskas resources are plentiful HOWEVER strong leadership is

needed to better implement the construction of our resources whether it be oil, natural gas, lumber or tourism. We need strong representation to help expedite our resources and provide jobs for Alaskans. I cant believe we are now just upgrading our schools Its a shame! I am just wondering were we are going to be in another 20 years, my guess is at a snails pace.

1 April 2, 2008 - 1:02pm | emerymcupples

Whenever

I see the name "Pebble Mine" it reminds me of the place
in Butte, Montana called the Berkeley Pit which is a
closed former open-pit copper mine. This hole now
contains 32 billion gallons of deadly toxic water which
the present day environmental experts don't have a
clue on how to solve this man-made disaster. We sure
don't need Pebble Mine or another Berkeley Pit in Alaska
to ruin our valuable fish runs.

April 2, 2008 - 4:03pm | handline

Pebble mine //not Montana

How maney times you gonna post same ol, same ol?
If you watched the History channel on your famous PIT, you damn sure would learn something, mawbe not!

April 2, 2008 - 3:35pm | fskc18

apples to oranges

You cannot compare mines developed before the 70's with modern ones. In the 70's and 80's, SMCRA,CERCLA,and RCRA federal legislation forever changed the environmental aspect of mining for the better. I challenge you to find a MODERN copper mine IN AMERICA that has had the alleged environmental issues that you purport Pebble will have. The "deadly toxic" water of Berkley pit is bad because of ARD (acid rock drainage), which is infinitely better understood and treated today. The pebble project contains abundant basic rocks to treat ARD. Further, check out the recent article about Rio Tinto's position on the project (underground first).

April 2, 2008 - 5:36pm | dave516

A Tough Challenge

Excellent points fskc18 although as for your challenge, it will be tough to find a copper mine in the United States that was developed after the 1980s PERIOD. Environmental extremist have, for all intents, legislated mining to the point that it is not feasible to attempt in the US. Guys like AK_iceman and the rest whine that foriegn mining companies are here to develop our resources. Thats because we, the US, have prety much legislated US mining companies and US mines out of existence. Hopefully sanity and science will prevail at Pebble, and the developers will come up with a sound plan, fully documented with real science to develop this great opportunity. Unfortunately, no matter how good their science is, the Friends of Whatever will always come up with fringe examples, innuendo, flat lies and, if all else fails, ballot initiatives with no public input to further their anti-development causes.

April 2, 2008 - 7:45pm | ak_iceman2003

ballot initiatives with no public input?

Ummm... a ballot initiative is pretty much the highest form of public input. X number of signatures are collected - and have to be collected from all over the state - and then the public votes on it. You can't get much more public then that.

I suppose you meant to say "initiatives not pushed through the legislature where lobbyist pass off bribes to key lawmakers".

And where's the real science? Real science underwritten by the "Pebble Partnership"?

April 2, 2008 - 4:07pm | ak_iceman2003

pollution today

Here are two references to pollution from copper mines at sites within the United States.

2004 - Toxic Release Increased In 2002, Study Says
The Environmental Protection Agency said on Tuesday that the amount of toxic chemicals released into the environment increased by 5 percent in 2002, only the second time conditions grew worse since the yearly Toxic Release Inventory began in 1987.
http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=9D07E0D71039F930A15755C0A9629C8B63

1998 - A Federal judge has approved a $100 million settlement between three copper mining companies and the state of Arizona to clean up underground pollution that threatens a major source of drinking water.
http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=9E01E2D7113AF935A2575BC0A96E958260

Of course - the best example is the Grasberg mine which is owned by the US based company - Freeport. Some 50 sq miles of lowland areas along the river downstreadm are saturated with copper and the fish have nearly disappeared.

April 2, 2008 - 4:47pm | fskc18

READ the articles

the 1998 article mentions this was an issue with a 100 year old operation. Once again, you cannot compare pre-70's pits with modern ones. The 2004 article references a SMELTER, not a MINE. Pebble would ship its concentrate to smelters outside Alaska (there are none here), likely foreign ones. And as far as Grasberg mine, Indonesia is NOT AMERICA.

April 2, 2008 - 7:39pm | ak_iceman2003

Freeport Corp. is an American company

But Freeport Corp. is an American company. Thus they are an indication of what to expect from American mining companies.

April 6, 2008 - 2:23pm | ThorZone

Freeport

Freeport as well as any other American owned mining company are required to operate under the laws and regulations of the country where the mining operation is located, not the rules that are in place in the US. If a mine is operated in Indonesia, the rules are the rules that are in place there.

April 2, 2008 - 1:19pm | bta15

Butte pit mine

I flew over that about a year ago. I thought it looked pretty cool, probably not so great for the environment aye.

October 12, 2008 - 7:55pm | megal_11

yep, you hit that one right.

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