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Eighteen-inch yellow floral arrangements, left over from Gov. Sara Palin's weekend gala, towered on each table at the Egan Center.
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“... If you have children in school it’s really important that you have a backup plan in case there is a teachers strike. Because we’ll be closing schools and all student activities will be cancelled. So we’ll be working with daycare providers or trying to do everything we can to prevent it, but (by) the same token, we need to be ready.”
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flag this »5 March 14, 2007 - 3:58pm | zinger
Reason for voting No
"Resolving Conflict Creatively Program" (being offered at Chinook Elementary) is one of the reasons I'll be voting no on all of the bond issues. I don't mind paying for all of the basics, but I draw the line at what I feel is parental responsibilty.
flag this »March 20, 2007 - 5:01am | Aklabwalker
We're going in the wrong direction....
What is it about parental responsibility that the ASD doesn't understand. Carol wants to create a new employee that basically works between the classroom and parents. To keep parents engaged in their child's education. Daily 10% of the district's grade school children are absent from class. When did it become the taxpayer's responsibility to ensure parents pay attention to what's going on in the classroom and ensuring their children are regular in attendance. These same parents make sure the dividend applications arrive on time but can't get off their lazy butts to make sure their kids are in school. School bonds for Clark...no way!
flag this »March 20, 2007 - 9:14am | TheSdog
Welcome to the
nanny state.
Individual responsibility? We don't need any stinking individual responsibility.
flag this »March 14, 2007 - 5:03pm | leslie_ridle
Bonds do not pay for Programs
Bonds pay for buildings and maintenance only. If you have a problem with a program, talk to the ASD. Bonds only pay for bricks and mortar.
flag this »March 15, 2007 - 7:09am | robertwhayes49ak
WE MUST BE BUYING (BIG WILD BRICKS)?
I HEAR THEY HAVE THE BEST PRICE IN CHINA.
flag this »March 14, 2007 - 5:18pm | TheSdog
The problem
If ASD spends money on silly things instead of maintenance it could be theorized that leads to more need for "capital improvement."
That is one complaint that appears to have merit to a lot of people.
flag this »March 14, 2007 - 5:50pm | leslie_ridle
It's a false argument
The ASD has $20 million in maintenace this year alone. No program cuts would ever take care of maintenance on the scale the ASD needs. They are the largest building property owners in the state. They do day to day maintenance from their budgets, but they must bond for big stuff like roof replacements, safety upgrades, etc.
People complain when our schools fall apart and they blame the ASD for not taking care of them. Well, they're trying to. If we don't let them, the buildings slip in to more disrepair and the list just gets longer, it doesn't go away.
flag this »March 18, 2007 - 10:15am | Aklabwalker
High priced bulldog....
Carol and the school board have done a good job at thoroughly brainwashing people into believing exactly what you say. Maybe you can explain why Clark will cost nearly twice what Muldoon cost?
flag this »March 14, 2007 - 6:37pm | TheSdog
And yet
their buildings fall apart faster than a lot of commercial property.
Nice try Leslie but they bond for even normal wear and tear because they inefficiently use that 20 million. Classic government inefficiency.
It comes down a little to somantics but roof replacements? That is maintenance, not a capital improvement. Safety upgrades likely depends on the type of project you are talking about but I'll give you that sort of.
They take care of the schools about as well as the city takes care of our dog feces infested parks and trails.
flag this »March 18, 2007 - 10:24am | Aklabwalker
ASD safety upgrades?
Carol's idea of a safety upgrade is creating a duplicate security department with a 550,000.00 annual budget. The department consists of a total of two employees, the director and an administrative secretary. The bottom line is the school district is creating a police department and the director is Carol's personal crime fighter.
flag this »March 18, 2007 - 11:37pm | robertwhayes49ak
500Gs THATs A LOT OF BOND MONEY
$$$
flag this »March 18, 2007 - 11:12am | TheSdog
My point
was that there may be some type of federally mandated upgrade to a structure that might require a bond.
I certainly was not conceeding the point to Leslie. I'm with you, most of the "upgrades" are nonsense and should not be bonded for. They should be part of the operating budget.
flag this »March 17, 2007 - 8:53am | ak_mooster
Leslie, I disagree on two points
First, bonds are no longer just brick and mortar. They should be, but I see now where they often slide "build something and maintenance" in on bonds, and that's wrong. My second point of disagreement is your statement that they HAVE to bond big jobs. That is just not true, they could easily plan ahead and save money for it and have the money when its needed reducing the cost of whatever it is by a LOT. This is done in other municipalities, they call it pay as you grow. I plan to vote no on all the bonds and encourage everyone else to do the same. Why? Because there is no plan to ever pay them off. We go further and further in the hole every year. I think right now we are spending about $1100 per student per year on city indebtedness. That's insane, when will that bubble burst? This city has voted itself into a debt of over 1.2 BILLION dollars. ENOUGH! Vote no on everything until they understand.
flag this »March 17, 2007 - 10:41am | TheSdog
Save?
Plan ahead?
Remember who you are talking to mooster.
flag this »4 March 14, 2007 - 4:36am | alexcrawford
what about guerilla warfare?
How can the school be utilized for military purposes in the event of an invasion of Alaska if there's no places to duck and hide?
Lousy planning if you ask me.
Look at the senior center downtown on 10th Ave: perfect place to hide in a sticky situation. Built more for military defensibility than for old folks if you look at the architectural design.
flag this »March 14, 2007 - 8:47am | noseknows
I Think...
You need to go look for the other end of that horse......
flag this »3 March 13, 2007 - 7:26pm | robertwhayes49ak
IF YOU LET A SCHOOL ROT AWAY, IT WILL.
THE PUBLIC WAS TAXED A LOT TO MAINTAIN THE SCHOOLS, WHERE DID OUR MONEY GO?
RETIREMENTS?
flag this »March 13, 2007 - 9:41pm | leslie_ridle
The School is OLD
After awhile, no matter how you maintain them, schools get worn down. Clark is worn down. There is asbestos, lack of sprinklers, overcrowding. It's time for a new school for Mt. View. And, yes, I'm a property owner and taxpayer. And, no, I don't have kids in school and I'm not a teacher.
flag this »March 15, 2007 - 7:12am | robertwhayes49ak
A LOT OF ASD PEOPLE ARE OLD
BUT YOU DONT SEE US TRASHING THEM FOR YOUNGER HIGHER PAID ONES!
flag this »March 14, 2007 - 8:59am | TheSdog
However
you are a card carrying member of the Church of Begich.
And the church never met a bond it did not like.
Zinger makes a great point below.
flag this »March 14, 2007 - 7:58am | zinger
Old Schools
You know I have family in the lower 48 and some (alot) of their schools were built in the 50's and 60's and guess what they were and are maintained and they are in use today!!!! The tax payers in Washington paid for and received maintenance on their schools. I've never quite figured out why we need "New" schools all the time..........
flag this »March 15, 2007 - 12:14am | celtic_diva_ak
Three reasons:
1) Alaska's dry, desert climate - it's murder on most building materials
2) Alaska's extreme temperatures, and
3) Tectonic instability - Alaska has about 30 to 100 earthquakes a day.
Plus, let's be honest, Anchorage's original builders didn't exactly do so with long-term quality in mind.
flag this »March 15, 2007 - 7:14am | robertwhayes49ak
LETS BUY US ALL A NEW HOUSE FIRST
BUT WE DONT HAVE TO BECAUSE WE TAKE CARE OF THEM, (WORK) ON THEM AND CANT GET FREE MONEY TO DO IT!
flag this »2 March 13, 2007 - 7:34am | Stags_Leap
new middle school is needed
if anyone has actually walked through Calrk Middle School within the past few years you would see the obvious need for a new facility. But Clark kids are largely from low income familes. Thus, I fear that voters won't give them a fair shake like Eagle River and South Anchorage got in the past. I don't even know why we allow Eagle River folks to vote on Anchorage school bond measures. They always votes against anything that benefits Anchorage.
Put aside your uneducated rhetoric for a moment and get these kids a new building. Whether you love the ASD or hate it, love or hate Commander Comeau, love or hate teachers -these kids NEED a new building. It has become a health and saftey issue. Do we need to see injured students and subsequent lawsuits before we approve this bond??? Pay now or pay far more later...
Personally, I think the ASD does a piss-poor job of PR when it comes to educating the public on the bonds and impacting public perception. The State, for example, will reimburse 40%-60% of all costs associated with the new middle school.
On another note -I hope the teachers will strike. The ASD doesn't want to negotiate. They seem more interested in persuading the public there is no more money than taking care of their teachers. Perhaps mayoral or city oversight is needed for our school district -at least over the Super. The school board surely doesn't hold her accountable.
flag this »March 13, 2007 - 7:48am | TheSdog
No one has white hats
I think it is truly arrogant to be talking innovative floor plans when the bond has not passed. It would have been far more reasonable to beat the "Clark is falling down" drum like you just did.
Comeau and admin are a farce. So are the teachers...going around saying you don't get quality people at their wage slits their own throats.
I don't even want to think what would happen to creative taxation if the COB took over the school district. In general, however, I am not totally against city governments getting involved in school districts. The fox guarding the henhouse comes to mind.
I also do not like the continued pounding of the state will pick up half the tab. I will pay willingly if it makes sense but I am not going to vote for something foolish just because the state pays half.
Alaska should really consider what Hawaii does. We should make one large state school district. If done right(and that's a problem)it would cut down on admin as every tiny little district has tons of staff. It would also allow to fly specialists around where needed instead of one per district. The devil would be in the details but something has to be done outside of Anchorage as well.
flag this »March 13, 2007 - 9:43pm | leslie_ridle
The Plan has been done for awhile
they know what the floor plans are because they got bond money in the past to plan this school. if they get this bond, they will dig in the ground this summer. They are ready to go.
Part of the reason this is a good deal is that the state will 60%. I don't know why you'd ignore that. making one big state school district won't erase the fact that this school needs to be replaced.
flag this »March 14, 2007 - 6:51pm | TheSdog
Simple
The ever so wonderful bonding for planning...good grief. Let's just spend all kinds on money on studies. I know Leslie... why doesn't the muni bring up a walkability expert to help assess the new Clark before they build it. We need to determine how it affects pedestrian traffic in Mt. View after all.
I will vote for a project if it makes sense. I do not vote for something just because the money comes from elsewhere.
You only need to look at the pork barrell spending spawned in DC to understand that just becasue something is paid for by somebody else does not make it right. Liberals just love to spend other people's money... hell they just love to spend money...hence we always get this state reimbursement argument. I would have voted against Steven's museum bus stop if given the chance even though it is all federal money for example.
Other programs are like a drug sometimes...federal or state money starts a program and then when that money goes away we are left addicted because liberals refuse to give up the feel good program. Cops in the school being the most recent example.
flag this »March 14, 2007 - 7:31pm | leslie_ridle
even you
would make a plan and do some blueprints before building a building to last 50+ years.
you can vote against stevens's bus stops by not voting for him.
flag this »March 18, 2007 - 7:02am | zinger
50+ years
Is there a school building this old in Anchorage?? I noticed you said that the state would cover 60%, what was the agreement that the lawmakers signed yesterday? Was that to commit the 60% or is it to try to commit the 60%???
Don't mean to be picking on you, I'm trying to understand all of this. From what I see the school district needs some auditing or something done. For the last 8 years or so they keep wanting bonds passed, keep getting voted down and instead of fixing the ASD they just try to reword the bonds. Or else they think they can wear us down. I am a property owner in town and they won't wear me down. I vote NO until I see some improvement in the school districts handling of the money.
flag this »March 14, 2007 - 8:01pm | TheSdog
Knowing the ASD
They will bond for things related to this building way before 50 years are up...maybe even to replace it. Just look at the buildings on the other bond.
It is precisely this spend because someone else pays and excuse making for the district that is tempting my hand to check no. One way to fix an addiction is to force someone to go cold turkey.
Everybody is like Ted in both parties. Term limits are the answer.
flag this »March 14, 2007 - 8:38pm | leslie_ridle
Correct me if I'm wrong
and i'm sure you will. ASD has only replaced one other school. The very old Denali. Like Clark it was not upgradeable on the site it had to be replaced.
flag this »March 14, 2007 - 9:36pm | TheSdog
I'm not an ASD historian
Dimond High was replaced not too long ago.
So, I kind of doubt you are correct.
flag this »March 13, 2007 - 12:08pm | celtic_diva_ak
You are using Hawaii as a POSITIVE example?
My last visit to Maui some years ago was partially to consider whether I wanted a job working with a friend of mine within the school district.
I was appalled to see run-down school buildings with walls caving in, pest-control problems, kids without school books or other supplies, etc... I was told by those who would be my co-workers how hard it was for the schools to get money - especially on the islands that are NOT Oahu.
That was one of the big reasons why I decided not to move there.
No, we don't need to style ourselves after Hawaii. Their example demonstrates why school districts should remain local.
Regarding Eagle River, Anchorage has to bear some of the responsibilty. ER's anti-Anchorage voting behavior is not right, but it is revenge for Anch's past voting behavior in response to ER's school bond needs.
They tried to break off from Anchorage, recently and their effort has failed so far.
Regarding Clark, I am also worried that those kids will get shortchanged. They desperately need a new building and why shouldn't they get to be the school that is the first to have a new floor plan?
Or are we saving that privlege for Service?
flag this »March 13, 2007 - 9:46pm | leslie_ridle
Regarding Eagle River
Eagle River has gotten several school projects over the last 24 years:
Gruening
Mirror Lake
Eagle River High School
Chugiak High Rebuild
Yes, there were years Anchorage turned down their projects, but those years have come and gone. Their beautiful, new high school is built and it will serve the community for decades. It's Mountain View's turn to catch up. Clark needs to be replaced. The kids in Mt. View don't deserve to be punished because the Eagle River voters are mad that Anchorage voted against their school a decade ago.
flag this »March 18, 2007 - 9:38am | seewhy
factionalism
The kids in Mt. View don't deserve to be punished because the Eagle River voters are mad that Anchorage voted against their school a decade ago.
true, and similar situations have put parts of the inner city at odds with girdwood, portage, peter's creek, etc. at various times over the years. i'd acutally favor cutting ER and chugiak loose, if it eliminated the same thing continuing to happen.
flag this »March 15, 2007 - 12:16am | celtic_diva_ak
I agree with you, Leslie...
...especially since I've been through Clark several times this year.
I just happen to know some of the "free us from Anchorage" contingent.
Like elephants, they seem to have long memories...
flag this »March 14, 2007 - 9:02am | TheSdog
Settle Leslie
This is going to pass.
If it does not it is because people are fed up with spending, spending, spending and it goes beyond ASD and into your boss.
flag this »March 14, 2007 - 5:51pm | leslie_ridle
Nope. Can't.
I feel very strongly about the need to replace Clark. I'll continue to spout out. Thanks.
flag this »March 14, 2007 - 6:39pm | TheSdog
Let us just hope
ASD actually takes care of a new building.
Nevermind, they'll just let it fall apart and ask for a new one in a few decades.
flag this »March 17, 2007 - 9:07am | ak_mooster
We are almost there.
Just of few more blogs and the race/class card will get played. You must vote yes no matter what or you are a bigot and if the bond fails it will give Anchorage a black eye in the view of the world because we only serve the white and privileged. How about no, because the city is 1.2 BILLION in debt?
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