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I've been writing about mining in Alaska since 2004 and without a doubt, it is one of the most interesting topics that I cover at the Daily News. I've been a newspaper reporter for the past 10 years. In the Deep South, I specialized in reporting about environmental conflicts and pollution cleanups. For two years, I covered commercial fishing, mining and logging in Southeast Alaska. In my current job as a Daily News business reporter, I write about mining, tourism, Native corporations and other businesses.

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Miners still nervous about initiatives

Here's a statement that came today from the Alaskans Against the Mining Shutdown.

After months of posturing in state superior courts, an extensive media campaign, and just days prior to the Supreme Court reviewing the legality of the CW1 and CW3, the initiative proponents have asked Lt. Governor to drop CW1 from the ballot. This measure had already been declared unconstitutional by the state Attorney General's office and a Fairbanks superior court judge. In dropping the measure, the proponents admitted that it had unintended consequences. Despite their claims to the contrary, they are acknowledging that this initiative was overly broad and would have imposed restrictions that would have shutdown Alaska's large metal mining industry.

At this time, it is unclear whether this request to halt the legal proceedings on CW1 is within the purview of the Lt. Governor or the Court to grant. The decision on what will happen to CW1 may remain with the Alaska State Supreme Court. Given that there is still a real threat that CW1 could be placed on the ballot, AAMS will continue its campaign against this dangerous and deceptive measure.

The status of CW3 also rests with the Supreme Court. The Attorney General's office has written that, if CW3 were to be interpreted according to its plain meaning, it would have the same effect as CW1 and would be unconstitutional. Instead, the Attorney General has expanded the interpretation and construed CW3 to be not significantly different than the existing statewide water quality standards. The proponents incorrectly claim that this measure will not effect existing mines and will only serve to establish a regulatory structure that protects water and salmon. This begs the question of why the measure's proponents would go through an extensive campaign solely to ask voters to affirm existing standards. Under one legal interpretation of CW3, it would prohibit any release of water, similar to CW1, and would have the same drastic consequences: a mining shutdown.

The only way the conflicting interpretations of CW3 can be resolved is when the Alaska Supreme Court reviews this measure and offers its interpretation sometime in late June. The Court's ruling will provide clarity for the voters and enable the industry to evaluate the likely impact of this measure. Until then, AAMS will continue to inform Alaska voters of the potential risks and dangers from CW3.

  12     February 18, 2010 - 5:27am | hero123 ht

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  10     December 18, 2009 - 4:35am | satwik_dh


الأسطورة سندباد الصغير منتديات الاباء القران الكريم تفسير القران استمع للقران الكريم منتديات البحرين تفسير الأحلام توظيف و توريد عماله اسرار اعجاز اقران
دليل منتدى دليل دليل دليل دليل دليل دليل دليل دليل دليل دليل دليل دليل دليل منتدى الكون تحميل صور دليل
دليل دليل دليل دليل دليل دليل دليل دليل دليل دليل دليل تحميل صور مركز تحميل صور دليل مواقع مركز تحميل دليل دليل دليل دليل دليل دليل دليل دليل دليل دليل دليل دليل دليل دليل دليل دليل دليل مركز تحميل شبكة اسلامية مركز تحميل دليل شات -دردشه دليل دليل دليل دليل دليل دليل دليل دليل دليل دليل دليل دليل دليل دليل دليل دليل دليل دليل دليل دليل منتديات دليل دليل دليل دليل دليل دليل دليل دليل دليل دليل دليل دليل دليل دليل دليل دليل دليل دليل دليل دليل دليل دليل دليل دليل دليل دليل دليل دليل دليل دردشة قريش قبيلة قريش قبيله قريش موقع قريش دليل دليل دليل دليل دليل دليل دليل دليل منتديات دليل دليل دليل دليل دليل دردشة منتديات يوتيوب

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  9     October 21, 2009 - 11:34am | zz77mmhh

مسلسلات- منتدى

منتدى زحمه-
العاب بنات-
طرب توب-

اغاني طرب توب -أغاني طرب -

رقص ام علاية-

صور طلاب ستار اكاديمي 6 -


صور ستار اكاديمي 6 -

ستار اكاديمي 6-

رواية حب-

قصص واقعيه -ماسنجر 10-



افلام جنسيه-افلام مصرية-افلام ممنوعة من العرض-

قصه حزينه-قصه حب-

قصائد -قصائد ياسر التويجري-

تحميل لعبة يوغي Gx-

العاب PS-

العاب PSP-

العاب XBoX-

فضائح ستار اكاديمي 6-

قصص-اغتصاب-منتدى الاسلامي-

التصميم-الجرفكس-الارشيف-صور انمي-

مشاهدة افلام-عالم حواء- ضحك ـ نكت-

مقاطع بلوتوث-مشن فايشن-اسواق العقار-

دليل السياحة-اخبار السيارات-جديد السيارات-

اسرار البنات-صور ستار اكاديمي 5-طلبات ستار اكاديمي 5-

منتدى العام-الرياضة المحلية-اغاني الانمي-

مكياج-الثقافة الجنسية-برامج جوال-

خواطر رومانسية-اناشيد اسلامية-اخبار الفن-


الغاز-مسابقات-شروحات دروس الفوتوشوب-

العاب-عالم الشباب-برامج الكمبيوتر-

منتدى البنات-المنتدى الترفيهي-الاقسام الرياضية-

فيسات رومانسيه-

فيسات للمنتدى -

فيسات رقص-

فيسات للمسن-


فيسات حزينه-

فيسات حب -

تحميل انمي-

حلقات انمي -


مطبخ -

طبخ -

حلويات -

الكمبيوتر والانترنت -

برامج نادرة -

برامج جديدة -

الكمبيوتر والانترنت -

قصيدة محمد بن الذيب -
النجوم و المشاهير -اخبار الفنانين
صور برامج التلفزيونيه -
تحميل مشاهدة صور اجنبية -
الرعب -
تحميل افلام -
حوادث -
قتل -
جرائم -
طب -
الطب البديل-
عذب الكلام -
الاسرة و تربيةالاطفال -
موضة -
صور افلام كرتون-
افلام كرتون-
تحميل انمي-
حلقات انمي-
العاب كمبيوتر -
العاب PS,PSP,XBoX -
صور منوعة -
صور جديده-
نغمات -
منتديات-موقع زحمه-

اغاني مصريه-

اغاني جلسات-

اغاني كسرات -

اغاني خليجيه-

زخرفة اسماء-

اسماء مزخرفه-

اغاني راب -

اغاني كلاش-

اغاني كلاش-

قصائد محمد بن الذيب-قصائد سعد بن علوش-قصائد حامد زيد-

قصه حب حزينه -قصة رومانسية -

قصص رومانسيه -

قصص مرعبه -قصص جنسيه -

قصص اطفال-روايه رومانسيه -

تحميل افلام مصرية -
صور جنسيه -
افلام جنس -
فضيحة جنسيه -
قصص الحب -
قصص رمانسية -
موقع قصص -
روايات قصيره -
روايات طويله -
قصص جميله -
قصص بنات -
قصص كبار -
قصص الانبياء -
الافلام الهندية -
افلام كوريه مترجمه -

افلام كوريه مدبلجه -
مسلسلات كوريه -
قصيده حب -
شعر رومانسي -
اشعار حب -
قصائد حب -
شعر غزل -
صور القناص -
صور اللاعب ياسر القحطاني -
صور مسن ياسر القحطاني -
صور الهلال ياسر القحطاني -
قصة محارم -
تحميل قصص المحارم -
قصص جنسيه -
قصص مراهقات -
قصة مراهقة جنسيه -
قصص مراهقه مثيرة -
صور رمزيه بنات كول -
صور بنات كول للتصميم -
تحميل اغاني كلاش mp3 -
جديد اغاني كلاش للتحميل -
صور كلاش -
فديو كليب كلاش -
اغنيه كلاش -
مغنيين كلاش -
مطربين كلاش -
اغاني كلاش عربي -
ااغاني كلاش سعودي -
اغاني تامر حسني -
صور تامر حسني -
البوم تامر حسني -
فضائح تامر حسني -
سيارة تامر حسني -
رقم موبايل تامر حسني -
رقص -
الرقص -
مقاطع رقص -
فديو رقص -
بلوتوث رقص -
رقص الشرقي -
الرقص الشرقي -
صور رقص -
صور بنات حلوين -
صور خليجيات -
صور سعوديات -
صور بنات حلوين -

صور ياسر القحطاني-

افلام هنديه-مسلسلات كوريه-

أفلام أجنبية-افلام كورية--افلام اكشن -

فلم اكشن --اغاني مسلسلات الكوريه --طبخه -

مسلسل التركي ميرنا وخليل-

قصائد عبدالرحمن الشمري-قصائد بدر الظاهري-قصائد بدر بن عبدالمحسن-قصائد لفي الهفتا-قصائد حمود البغيلي-

موقع طرب-شعر حب-ماسنجر بلس-

صور مسلسلات-مسلسل-رساله للحبيب-

صور ياسر القحطاني-افلام انمي-صور انمي-

مسجات حب-برنامج الفوتوشوب للموبايل-أنشودة حزينة-

قصائد ياسر التويجري-قصائد فزاع بن محمد بن راشد آل مكت-قصائد محمد بن فطيس المري-قصائد احمد الناصر-

العاب بنات-جن ـ الاشباح-الرياضة العربية-افلام انمي-

ون بيس مدبلج عربي -مسلسل بليتش-

مسلسل ون بيس -فلم يوغي يو-

حلقات ون بيس -فلم يوغي يو-

صور ون بيس-فلم ناروتو-

فلم ون بيس-فلم ناروتو-

فلم دراغون بول-

صور الملك عبدالله-صور بنات الرياض-

قصص محارم-قصص مراهقين -

شعر حب-صور بنات مراهقات-

قصائد محمد بن فطيس المريه-قصائد ناصر الفراعنه-الميدان اليوله-قصائد حمد السعيد-

العاب جنسيه-صور بنات عاريات-

صور بنات كول -بنات كيوتات-

توبيكات رومانسيه-صور رمزيه-

تحميل مسلسلات-انمي-

سحر-ابراج -

تفسير الاحلام -طريقة عمل الايميل-

طريقة الجماع-طريقة وضع المكياج -

طريقة عمل البيتزا-طريقة عمل التورتة -

خلفيات لسطح المكتب-صور خلفيات بنات-

صوت الامارات -ثيمات للماسنجر-


لواط-تساقط الشعر -

علاج حب الشباب -علاج السحر-

علاج الزكام-علاج الصلع -

مترجم-افراح الفنانين-

زواج نانسي عجرم-زواج المتعة-

فضيحة هيفا وهبي -
مجموعة صور زينب العسكري -
صور الفنانة البحرنية زينب العسكري -
صور زينب العسكري من مسلسل -
مجموعة صور للمغنيات -
صور مغنيات جديدة -
فضائح مغنيات -
مجموعة صور للمغنيات -
مجموعة صور للمغنيات -
مسجات -
mms -
مسجات mms -
مجموعة مسجات فراق جديدة -
مسجات وداع mms -
مسجات حنان mms mms -
مجموعة مسجات عتاب MMS -
مجموعة صور للمغنيات -
تحميل مسجات عتاب MMS -
صور الفنانه اليسا -
صور حفلة اليسا -
صور فضائح اليسا -
صور النجمه اليسا -
رقص بنات سعوديات -
رقص بنات حلوين -
رقص بنات عربيات -
رقص بنات -
اغتصاب بنات ممارسة الجنس -
تعراف و ممارسة الجنس -
صور بنات ممارسة الجنس -
روبي -
صور الفنانة روبي -
صور من حفلة روبي -
صور فضائح روبي -
اغتصاب روبي -
صور فساتين سهرة -
فساتين -
فساتين سهرة للبيع -
فساتين زفاف -
العنايه بالبشره -
طرق لتفتيح البشرة -
كريم لتبيض البشرة -
كريم لصفاء وتفتيح البشره -
البشره -
كريم -
مكياج البشره السمراء -
فستان -
فساتين زفاف -
فستان اعراس -
فساتين اعراس -
فستان -
توبيكات -
توبيك -
صور ماسنجر -
توبيكات جميله -
توبيكات جديده -
ايقونات -
صور مثيرة هيفاء وهبي -
هيفاء وهبي -
صور حفلة هيفاء وهبي -
حفلة هيفاء وهبي -
صور اغتصاب هيفاء وهبي -
اغتصاب هيفاء وهبي -
ايقونات -

زواج مسيار-زواج السعودية -فلسطين-

طلبات المسلسلات-شعر-الطلاب والتعليم-

صور مسلسل ميرنا وخليل-

مسلسل ميرنا وخليل -

مسلسل ميرنا وخليل الحلقه-
موسيقي مسلسل التركي ميرنا وخليل-
مسلسل سيف النار-
مسلسل ون بيس-
لعبة قص الشعر-ستشوار الشعر-لعبة قص الشعر-
لعبة ميك اب للبنات فقط-لعبة تلبيس بنات اطفال-العاب بنات وفتيات-
العاب اطفال-العاب تلوين-العاب مغامرات-
العاب بنات-العاب قتالية-العاب ذاكرة-
العاب سيارات-العاب رياضية-العاب اكشن-
العاب متنوعة-مسلسل سنوات الضياع-مسلسل عيون عليا-
مسلسل التركي نور-مسلسل ظل الياسمين-مسلسل بيني وبينك 2-
مسلسلات عام 1428-مسلسلات عام 2007-مسلسل راس اغليص 2-
مسلسل شر النفوس-مسلسل لحظة وداع-افلام-
طيور الجنة-مسلسل التركي الحلم الضائع-مسلسل وتمضي الايام التركي-
رقص بنت سعودية-رقص بنت مصرية-العادة السرية-
العلاقة الجنسية-رقص عربي-اغتصاب فنانة-
ممارسة الجنس-ملكات جمال-صور جميلات العرب-
فضيحه هيفاء وهبي-فضائح زينب العسكري-فضيحة زينب العسكري-
فضائح باسكال مشعلاني-فضائح شجون الهاجري-فضيحة نوال الكويتيه-
فضيحة دينا سمير-فضيحة نوال الزغبي-فضيحة نانسى عجرم-
فضيحة مروى-فضيحة اصالة-فضية اليسا-
فضائح روبي-فضيحه روبى-فضائح رزان مغربي-
فضيحة رزان مغربي-فضيحة ياسر القحطاني-فضيحة تامر حسني-
فضيحة ملكة جمال مصر هبة السيسى-فضيحه بنت سعوديه
فضيحة رويدا المحروقي-فضيحة سلمى حايك-فضيحة مريام فارس-
فضائح مريام فارس-طرب توب-توبيكات عشق-
فساتين سهرة-كريم البشره-مكياج البشره السمراء والبيضاء-
فستان زفاف-تنظيف البشره-روج-
فرش-خطوط عربية-مجموعة خطوط فوتوشب-
فلاتر-فلاش-توقيع فلاشي-
توبيكات ملونة-صور اليسا-صور هيفاء وهبي-
صور ياسر القحطاني-صور نانسي عجرم-صور مبرقعات ولثم-
صور يارا-صور فضائح الفنانات-صور إغراء-
صور مرعبه-مسجات فراق-مسجات عتاب-

منتديات-موقع زحمه-

روايه رومنسيه حزينه-رواية خياليه-

افلام السينما-صور رمزيه-تواصل مع البنات-

ليلة الدخله-قصائد حامد زيد-قصيدة سعد علوش -

مركز تحميل-مركز تحميل زحمه-دليل زحمه-

نغمات رومانسيه-الدوره الشهرية-صور مرعبه-

صور كركتير-صور ورعان-صور ورع-
صور ورعان-اغتصاب ورع-اغتصاب ورعان-
صور تطعيس-
صور مغنيات-صور مطربين-صور تامر حسني-

صور طبيعة-صور رومانسية-صور حب-
صورحزينه-صور للمسن-صور زينب العسكري-
صور روبي-رقص بنات خليجيات-
مسلسل الكابتن ماجد-مسلسل ناروتو-
مسلسل هايدي الصغيره-مسلسل القناص-

مسلسل سندباد-مسلسل يوغي يو-مسلسل دراغون بول زد -
مسلسل عدنان ولينا-مسلسل ريمي الولد-
مسلسل جزيرة الكنز-مسلسل كعبول-
مسلسل ساندي بل-مسلسل رحلة عنابة-
مسلسل سالي-مسلسل السنافر-

مسلسل بسمه وعبدو-مسلسل توم وجيري-
مسلسل مدرسة الكنغ فو-مسلسل صقور الارض-
مسلسل الاميره ياقوت-مسلسل غرندايزر-
-منتدى حل -العاب حل

-العاب بنات-العاب قتال
-العاب طبخ -العاب اطفال
-العاب تلوين-مواقع اسلاميه

-مواقع نسائيه-مواقع الترفيهيه
-مواقع الالعاب-مواقع اخباريه

-مواقع التقنيه-مواقع متنوعه
-فديو مضحك-فديو المسلسلات والبرامج التلفزيونه

-فديو افلام كرتون-فديو افلام كرتونيه اسلاميه
قصيدة حامد زيد-

المواضيع الجاده -

صور مسلسلات-

قصيدة حمد السعيد -

قصيدة احمد الناصر -

قصيدة عبدالرحمن الشمري -

قصيدة بدر الظاهري -

قصيدة ناصر الفراعنه -

قصيدة فزاع بن محمد بن راشد آل مكت -

قصيدة ياسر التويجري -

قصيدة سعد علوش -

خلفيات جوال-
كلمات اغاني راشد الماجد -
راب -
اغنيه راب -
تحميل اغاني راب -
اغاني راب عربي -
اغاني راب سعودي -
صور بنات -
اغاني نانسي عجرم mp3 جديدة -
خلفيات صور نانسي عجرم -
صور نانسي عجرم جديدة -
صورة نانسي عجرم -
اغاني Mp3 -
تحميل اغاني Mp3 -
اغنيه Mp3 -
اغاني صيغة Mp3 -
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  7     February 2, 2009 - 7:15am | z7mh

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  6     December 7, 2008 - 12:39pm | charlierotario

Miners still nervous about initiatives

How can they be not nervous when things are how they are?
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  5     June 9, 2008 - 7:11pm | bspederson

shut down everything

all you liberal idiots are going to pass so many initiatives, laws, and file lawsuits against any type of growth or progress in this country and pretty soon there will be no jobs, food, or warm places to live in 20 years and eventually mankind will kill each other off but at least the liberals who don't believe in mining or guns should be pretty easy to take out at 100 yards.

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  June 12, 2008 - 5:08pm | Sockeyemark

A 100 yards!!, what a chicken

There will be plenty of food though from the Bristol Bay Sockeye Run

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  June 14, 2008 - 10:00am | rfn


until all fish are properly protected from human predation.


It attracts human predators to pillage the freedom-loving fish of Alaska!

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  June 14, 2008 - 11:29am | Sockeyemark

This may be news to you, but those fish go up the rivers to die

every year, millions of them can you believe that!! Probably best if we catch a few of them before they commit solmoncide....

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  June 14, 2008 - 1:04pm | rfn

And deny them their rightful

resting place?

So wrong! So very, very wrong!

Those fish die that their bodies might decay naturally and continue to feed the lower parts of the food chain.

When they are plucked from their home and torn apart by predatory humans the cycle cannot complete.

Besides, their souls will come back to haunt!

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  June 14, 2008 - 2:03pm | Sockeyemark

The Mine will take millions from the food chain when the rivers

dry up and the lakes removed, Mr. Gillam and a few dozen fishermen catching some rainbows hardly compares to the devastation the mine will bring down on the area.
I have spoke with the Ravens on this and our souls will be spared, except for the miners who mine the Pebble Mine that is.....

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  June 14, 2008 - 4:55pm | rfn

If they really caught only rainbows!

The wonderful kind of rainbows that brighten the sky during a gentle rain.

But, alas, rainbows, salmon, and (some might hope) northern pike. All victims of man's insatiable hungr.


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  June 14, 2008 - 7:01pm | Sockeyemark

Catch and Release for most of Bob's fishermen

unfortunately Pebble Mine will just release: a slew of toxins into the environment, taking it with it millions of salmon.....your right so very wrong

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  June 14, 2008 - 7:08pm | rfn

Catch and release!

Injure and abuse, the more likely.

No fish should ever be torn from the warmth of its' home for the amusement of sociopaths!


(Hey, it worked when Reagan spoke similar words about "that wall".)

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  June 14, 2008 - 7:52pm | Sockeyemark

If the mine goes in he just may tear it down

then again there will be others tearing down their homes who live out there too. Might as well live in Anchorage than live in Nondalton or Pedro Bay with the mine influencing your once peaceful lifestyle.

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  June 15, 2008 - 7:25am | rfn

Especially since

Nondalton remains isolated, without a bridge. Wonder why!

A bridge that might be built with salvaged (think "recycled") materials....


Allow the actual residents of the area recycle rights so they might have an opportunity to build, for themselves, the bridge they need.

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  June 15, 2008 - 8:30am | Sockeyemark

Many villages are isolated in Alaska, I would say most of them

The only ones they are isolated from Illiamna? They both have runways, not sure the need to have a bridge is really all that important. Then you have to maintain it, inspect it.
It's really more of a want than a need. That bridge has been talked about since the 70's, guess if it was really needed it would have been put in. The same kind of talk has been going on in Naknek forever about the need for a bridge over the Naknek river connecting North and South Naknek.
They have a cheap winter bridge for part of the year!!

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  June 15, 2008 - 10:42am | rfn


denying one village the bridge they need is OK because other villages are in similar situations!

That Nondalton has been denied a bridge since the 1970's does not make it right that they should be denied a bridge forever!

Not when the materials are so near to hand to allow it be built while recycling! Of course when that unnecessary lodge is torn down there might be enough recyclable material to build not only the one bridge but perhaps enough for at least one more!

Save the salmon; outlaw fishing entirely! Just as prohibiting mining might contribute a tiny bit to their salvation a total ban will really help ensure fish thrive!

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  4     June 2, 2008 - 11:33pm | pmjusa

No net loss plus a paycheck

for many in the region has to be some benefit for local commercial, subsistence, and sport fishing community members. As I’ve said before, people need economic security to even begin to think ecologically. That will be one great positive effect on the fishery.

Since you are an interested stakeholder, and a creative thinker with a potential oriented mind, I suggest you contact Margaret King directly at the Alaska Community Foundation. She is the independent facilitator for the Pebble Fund that the Pebble Partners set up to support programs that enhance the fishery.

Guiding principles for The Pebble Fund include:
- It should provide financial support to new or existing community-led initiatives, rather than
developing and managing its own programs.
- It should support programs that enhance the health of Bristol Bay fisheries (commercial,
subsistence and sport) and the social and economic contributions they make to local
communities, as well as those that enhance the social and economic sustainability of
local communities.
- It should give priority consideration to initiatives led by Bristol Bay residents and
communities, rather than those conceived and managed outside the region.
- Funds shall not be used for advocacy purposes, including initiatives in support of or in
opposition to mineral development in Bristol Bay.

I have some ideas of my own, such as putting a mine at the headwaters of Squaw Creek in Dillingham, but that might be met with some skepticism (I jokes). Besides, I don’t know of any mineral deposits in that region aside the high iron content. However, there is good (although largely ignored), evidence that fish populations have increased and are healthy below several mine sites in Alaska. I’d sure eat ‘em.

One poster here noted the conditions for salmon in Squaw Creek were improved by Fish and Wildlife having cleared some obstacles, etc. to make for a more viable run. There are many such streams in the region where similar work such as improved oxygenation, stream cover and spawning channels would improve conditions without even having to reintroduce salmon. Of course F & W would have to be willing to collaborate.

There are probably at least as many ideas for improving the fishery as there are people involved in it. Feel free to share your inventive, creative solutions with all. Oh, and vote NO on the “Clean Water” mining shutdown initiatives that seek to stifle those solutions.

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  June 3, 2008 - 5:53am | demorgan33

Crossing fingers

and hoping to lessen the impact is NOT enhancement. This is an absolute load of propaganda garbage. Bristol Bays runs can NOT be enhanced by this mine!! We have the best run in the world here and there is no reason to put it at risk. We don't need solutions to problems that will never exist. I repeat, THE FISHERY IS HEALTHY, WE AREN'T LOOKING FOR A SOLUTION TO A CURRENT PROBLEM, WE'RE TRYING TO AVOID ONE. The fish are healthy and the runs are strong. How would A "NO" vote on the Clean Water initiative stifle solutions, when it was written to prevent the problems that you claim need solving. Your argument defies logic.

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  June 2, 2008 - 11:48pm | Sockeyemark

Not taking the bait

I can't be bought that cheaply....They're buying your vote folks.
The best way to enhance the area would be for ND and AA to pack up and go home. They've already created a mess with their core drilling program....
Oh , and Vote Yes for Common sense Clean Water

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  3     May 28, 2008 - 8:57am | ebluemink

Thanks folks...

for keeping the blog highly entertaining while I was off for a few days.

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  2     May 27, 2008 - 7:59am | lotsofpipe

That guy Gillam and his Fishermen Cronies

Have killed more fish than the Pebble mine ever will. I wish I was a billionaire Permanent Fund Manager too so I could take the money I get off managing Alaska's oil wealth to shut down Alaska's Mining industry. Am I the only guy around here that sees a huge Conflict of Interest?

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  May 27, 2008 - 9:47am | Sockeyemark

Yes you are the only one who sees this

Nobody is shutting down mining, just Pebble.

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  May 29, 2008 - 6:46am | NoBob

Here's a question

that I got a hoot out of--asked at the Anchorage Democratic Club when Gillam's hack, Art Hackney, spoke: (to paraphrase) 'you say this is only about Pebble, but why do all your ads attack Red Dog?' Errr . . . figure that one out. There is an answer and it isn't pretty.

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  May 29, 2008 - 8:39am | PuckFebble

Ask the Partnership...

Why they keep touting that particular mine in thier presentations. But please do share with us what Mr. Hackney said in response. I am curious as is probably everyone else. What was the answer?

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  May 30, 2008 - 8:05am | NoBob

Why is this about Red Dog?

I wasn't at the meeting myself, but heard about it. My understanding is that Hackney choked on this one and didn't have a real answer. The underlying fact is that Red Dog is a major initiative of NANA and a major Native employer in Northwest Alaska. All-in-all, these initiatives are the most anti-Native legislation we have ever seen in Alaska.

Now I will tell you the not-so-pretty story about why this is about Red Dog. In December, before the initiatives were filed, Gillam sent his henchman, Rep. Jay Ramras, to an Alaska Miners Association Meeting to tell them that if the industry didn't disavow Pebble, then Gillam would take them down with initiatives. A bold and bald threat plain as can be--reported in the Daily News, News Miner, and recorded on tape.

What we are seeing is exactly what Gillam treatened. He is going to take down the industry--Red Dog included--to get the industry to agree to kill Pebble. It isn't going to happen.

So all you anti-Pebble-pro-initiative cheerleaders are nothing but pawns--less than pawns really--in Gillam's grand scheme to keep the neighborhood of his vacation home "pristine."

This is dirty stuff. Dirtier than the Pebble Mine will ever be. That's the reality of it.

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  May 29, 2008 - 10:43am | asrcp9

The partnership is having

The partnership is having include Red Dog Mine in their presentation because the RRC brought it up first in their ads earlier this year. They are having to respond to the accusations of the RRC

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  May 29, 2008 - 7:24pm | PuckFebble

Interesting to note

That the NDM folks have been talking about Red Dog for longer than RRC has. I sat in a presentation by NDM in Dillingham in 2005 and it was mentioned. Then last summer at a similar meeting, I asked specifically for the names of a few mines where fisheries and mining coexist. They said Red Dog, Fort Knox, and Gibraltor mine in BC.
Red Dog and Fort Knox dont have commercial fisheries to speak of and Fort Knox hasnt been mentioned by them since they had thier cyanide leak in 2007 either. As for Gibraltor, it sits near a Fraser River trib...not in any similar location at headwaters like Pebble, but either way, the Fraser salmon run has been devastated by large scale industrialization to a fraction of what it was.
So, I resectfully tell you, you are incorrect on your notion about the RRC starting this debate. It was NDM.

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  May 31, 2008 - 12:08am | pmjusa

Your stack of straw will never run out.

There’s no needle in that haystack for you to jab with, never was.

The Frazier salmon run was predicted to collapse back in 2004, but not for the reasons you cite. Then in March of 2005 a report by a "fisheries committee said spawning levels were so low in 2004 that the commercial, recreational and aboriginal sockeye salmon fisheries on British Columbia's Fraser River could be wiped out in 2008.

The report blamed a failure by the Department of Fisheries and Oceans to crack down on sockeye poaching in the region and implement previous recommendations designed to save the stock, as well as unusually warm water temperatures in 2004."

Just another of many subjects that have little bearing on the mining shutdown initiatives issue.

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  May 31, 2008 - 1:23am | PuckFebble

Interesting to note:

Pebble, if located in BC would never be permitted. The Canadian laws, especially those in BC would not allow it, nor would the land been designated as available to large scale mining there. Matter of fact, BC laws prohibit destroying fish, specifically salmon through other methods than fishing. There is no question, even through the vast scientific fisheries data that Pebble has apparently collected that fish habitat would be destroyed in this mine, as per thier evidence. I find it quite telling that in most states and provinces in America and Canada, that Pebble would simply be a non-starter for the permitting process.
But what the Fraser does show, as well as the Columbia, Snake, Sacramento, and Salmon rivers show, is that large scale development and salmon do not co-exist well.

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  May 31, 2008 - 9:15pm | njalo99


another reason why Everyone will think Canada will always take a second seat to AMERICA.....

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  May 31, 2008 - 11:18am | rfn

Regulation of fishing

has proven ineffective. Look at California, Washington and Oregon. They tried regulation and it FAILED. The only way we can be sure to have fish for future generations to marvel at is the same approach those states took.


Until we close ALL of Alaska's waters to the senseless slaughter of fish they'll always be at risk.

No, regulation doesn't work. It's proven.

Same school of thought as wants to shut down mining...get used to it!

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  May 27, 2008 - 1:17pm | rfn

If we want to "save the salmon"

It's not just Pebble that must be shut down.

It's FISHING that must be terminated. Halt the senseless slaughter by rod, reel, net and, yes, even predatory bears.

Salmon are more intelligent than most people!

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  May 27, 2008 - 9:46am | jcn7vc

Check Out His Past

Not only did he get rich off oil companies, but he held lots of Teck Cominco stock. Now that he is a billionaire, he can preserve his precious fishing waters by using Red Dog and Teck Cominco as examples, even though they helped make him rich.

Thought this was interesting:

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  May 27, 2008 - 1:18pm | rfn

How do Permanent Fund managers

get replaced?

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  1     May 23, 2008 - 6:09pm | Sockeyemark

Hail to Clean Water 3

One thing else clean water 3 will do is let the State Of Alaska know just how important clean water and salmon are to Alaskans, Dam Important

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  May 31, 2008 - 9:13pm | njalo99


it is interesting to read, that Only mining company's will be regulated to this Standard. When Every town, city and subsidy of the city has a WATER TREATMENT PLANT. Do You know where your water comes from????? do you trust them????, or is it blind faith that guides you???? Do you know Where Your Clean Water comes from???? your eyes Alaskans....we shouldn't be this easily fooled.......Read and decide for yourselves.

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  May 27, 2008 - 5:28pm | njalo99

all hail

clean water is one thing Mark, shutting down My industry for yours is just stupid

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  May 28, 2008 - 5:01am | demorgan33

No one is shutting down your industry

According to all the hype, no one works on Pebble yet, everyone is just waiting for a magical plan to be submitted. The CW3 won't effect existing mines, so if you are already employed, your job is safe. Most that I have talked to understand the benefit of mining in Alaska, unfortunately the Pebble project puts an existing, renewable resource at risk. If this particular mine can't go forward living up to the clean water standards put forth then it should be tabled until a clean method of extraction can be found. There is a lot at stake for both sides of this conflict, but in all reality it's simple, you can't jeopordize an existing,well managed renewable resource for a non-renewable, short-term gain.

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  May 28, 2008 - 11:04pm | CingRed

No one is shutting down the mining industry you say?

How short to do you believe our memory is? Wasn't it just a short while ago the CWI & II sponsors (aka Gillam & Co) promised us their initiatives wouldn't shut down mining. Only to find out later their poorly written initiatives violated constitutional law with one superior court judge proclaiming that the initiative would shut down mining. So now we are in round three with CWIII and what are the proponents for the initiative stating yet again? You guessed it the same ole' regurgitated rhetoric 'we not shutting down mining'. Heck of a track record RRF & Gillam and Company.

I do agree with you though on one point though, if Pebble can't move forward and build it responsibly, let's can it (pun intended).

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  May 29, 2008 - 8:04pm | Sockeyemark

Yes I agree, can it....

No one wants mining shut down, and I don't believe Mr Gilam does either. I just don't trust who makes the decision about responsibly??? Money will ultimately make the decision//

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  May 30, 2008 - 11:52pm | CingRed

Mr. Gillam's

words and actions say otherwise!

As for the responsibility quip, the same State who regulates the BB fishery (who you suggest is the envy of the industry) will regulate mining.

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  May 24, 2008 - 7:09am | jcn7vc

What else does it do?

So you are passing an initiative to make a statement? What else besides shutting down mining are you guys trying to with this initiative that isn't already being done?

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  May 24, 2008 - 8:11am | Sockeyemark


Most laws are passed by elected government officials, this law will be passed by thousands of people. So yes, in a way a STATEMENT will be made...

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  May 26, 2008 - 9:02am | jcn7vc

The purpose?

So you're passing an Initiative to make a statement, but it will still have to be enforced by the government. Or are you and your thousands of friends going to enforce it with your own funds and manpower? I think not.

It looks to me like you want add to the already large load of monitoring and testing that already goes on, increasing taxes in the meantime. In addition, you know these initiatives are going to be fought on all levels, costing taxpayers millions of legal fees. On top of all that, if it goes through, you will take away from Natives their main source of income.

Sounds like a sound plan: Take away the Natives' main source of income and increase taxes for everyone, including taking away thousands of mining jobs around the state.

And you still didn't answer my question: WHAT WILL THESE INITIATIVES DO THAT ISN'T ALREADY BEING DONE?

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  May 24, 2008 - 8:42am | rfn

We need a "statement"

about how fish are sentient beings, too and should be protected from predatory "fishermen".

A total shutdown of the exploitation of our finned friends is long overdue.

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