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Posted: January 4, 2008 - 2:19 pm
From Kyle Hopkins in Anchorage --
When driving around Anchorage, the last person you want to smash into is Jennie Morris.
She's the driver who seemingly single-handedly got a new law passed that allows police to impound the vehicles of people who owe more than $1,000 in unpaid traffic fines, after someone ran into her in 2006.
Well, on Wednesday -- her birthday -- she got hit again, Morris said. The 19-year-old driver was on his cell phone at the time, she said, which doesn't bode well for people who love to dial and drive.
Morris said she's interested in banning cell use behind the wheel. The question is whether any state or local lawmakers would want to champion that potentially unpopular cause.
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14 January 15, 2008 - 4:23pm | Grandmababe
99.9% of cell phone calls are not necessary and could be put off until a later time. I have never had an accident with a car BUT have had several close calls because of someone driving and talking. MY safety IS more important than your chit chat.!!
I also dislike hearing your conversations in resturants. Why must you shout into your cell phone????
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13 January 7, 2008 - 6:00pm | MeganLarson
Using a cell phone while driving is very distracting. I have proof.
With this blog in mind I returned a call today while I sat in my idling vehicle in a parking lot instead of driving. Well, it was taking a while longer than I thought so I figured I'd start on my merry way. GASP! I know! Bad...
The call continued, so slowly I drove, hoping to be done soon. Then I was approaching Minnesota, so with this blog in mind I pulled onto a side street in order to finish the conversation. I couldn't find a stopping point or a spot that would accommodate my vehicle, so I pulled onto another street that I thought was one way because I wasn't thinking straight because I was listening to a phone conversation. It was two way. I realized this when I saw a truck coming at me.
Red-faced and embarrassed, dropped my phone and reversed my vehicle into the proper lane.
I know I'm going to get pummelled for posting this, but hey, I'm human and I make mistakes and that's how we humans learn. At least this mistake didn't cause an accident--this time. But that's the last driving phone call I'll be taking!
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January 7, 2008 - 8:50pm | MeganLarson
is what I meant. Correcting my own writing....
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January 7, 2008 - 8:40pm | Stumpy1
First, thanks for your honesty.
Here's a story about my drive home, tonight.
I am sitting at an intersection in the left hand turn lane. The light signals green for left hand turns. Great, only one car is in front of me.
Why isn't this gal going? The light is green. Now one of the reasons I love Alaskans is that we are not like New Yorkers where the second someone offends us we lay on the horn.
So why wasn't the gal in front of me turning? Well she was engrossed in her cell phone conversation.
When she finally gets a clue that she has had a green turn arrow for about 20 seconds, she begins her turn.
Just in time for the light to turn yellow.
The rest of us had to sit there waiting for the light to change again.
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January 7, 2008 - 9:14pm | TheSdog
One thing I learned in Massachusettes in med school is do not be afraid to use that horn.
The only place you need to be careful with the horn is Hawaii from what I have read.
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January 8, 2008 - 9:01am | MeganLarson
Sometimes I might "tap" the horn if the light changed and it's been a couple of seconds and I can tell the driver is otherwise engaged and is not aware of the light changing. But I wouldn't blare my horn unless someone was going to crash into me or was being incredibly dangerous or rude--it's like yelling.
The person whose lane I was in going the wrong way yesterday didn't even blare his horn at me. He just let me reverse out of his way. We are definitely more laid back up here.
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January 7, 2008 - 10:32pm | Stumpy1
If you use the horn in Hawaii, it better be for a good reason- to prevent/avoid an accident. Or to get a friend's attention so you can wave. (As long as one is not in traffic).
They are even more laid back than Alaskans. Must be the weather.
But, ohh, those people on the East coast. They are possessed.
I can see why you moved here.
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January 7, 2008 - 10:38pm | TheSdog
There is a rule in Boston driving. Whoever gets to point A second was the opne at fault. You want a reason to not install roundabouts just take a drive down route 5 in Springfield, MA sometime.
When I grew up in San Diego, drivers were laid back. As it has grown and traffic has become a nightmare it is now almost as bad as Boston on the streets.
Drivers up here are clueless. I just love it when I see the SUV with studded tires in the ditch. They also cry about traffic which in most places would not bother anybody. Lake Otis and Tudor would hardly be a concern in most places.
Regardless, cell phones should not be used while driving in any of these places.
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January 7, 2008 - 11:25pm | Stumpy1
True, cell phones should not be used while driving. Pixie does not agree. I wonder if she would draw the line at breast feeding while driving?
Might be sort of distracting for the male drivers...
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January 13, 2008 - 4:08pm | MeganLarson
The only thing we should do while driving is focus on driving. It's so hard to resist answering the phone or changing the radio station or checking your makeup. Well, maybe Stumpy doesn't have to worry about that...I'm pretty sure Stumpy's a guy, and not the makeup wearing type.
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January 13, 2008 - 5:47pm | akmooster
When you see an inattentive driver...
on a cell phone, don't call the cops! You'll triple the number of dangerous drivers.
First it was just the one, then you picked up your phone to report it and then a cop, who is on his cell phone chatting, gets an email on his laptop telling him to go check it out.
It's not funny. I pulled beside a cop the other day and he was driving down the street reading his computer and talking on his cell.
I grabbed my cell and took his picture and we almost wrecked, well I could have.
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January 7, 2008 - 6:07pm | rfn
While it's good to hear you weren't injured, one wonders what you might have been thinking! I mean, slowing down like that puts you at risk, in Seattle-North, for becoming a homicide statistic!
NOT a good way to start the New Year!
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12 January 7, 2008 - 1:24am | anthonylemons_blogspot_com
Chicago Sued over Cell Phone Ban
A class action lawsuit was filed this week against the city of Chicago by an attorney claiming that arrests of drivers talking on their cell phones made by the city's police officers were illegal.
The lawsuit states that Chicago police officers have been arresting and ticketing thousands of drivers violating the city's cell phone ban, which was imposed almost two years ago. Drivers are typically fined $75 if caught talking on their cell phones or up to $200 if they are involved in an accident.
Attorney Blake Horwitz, who filed the lawsuit against the city, Mayor Richard Daley, and several police officers, issued a statement saying that the law prohibiting Chicago residents from using cell phones while driving hasn't been properly enacted.
Horwitz's firm specializes in police misconduct and has sued the city of Chicago more than 100 times.
The law, 625 ILCS 5/11207, actually requires the city to put up signs that tell drivers not to talk on their cell phones when they're behind the wheel. But there are no such signs posted across the city of Chicago, which makes the fines and the arrests illegal, Horwitz said.
Horwitz is demanding that the city of Chicago dismiss any outstanding tickets and refund almost $2 million in fines collected since 2005, according to a report in the Chicago Tribune. In the lawsuit, Horwitz claims that the city has collected millions of dollars from over 25,000 citations. He said it is a way for the city to bring in extra money because of an insufficient budget.
See original article on InformationWeek.com
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January 7, 2008 - 11:00am | TheSdog
are the problem here.
There are not signs everywhere telling people to use their signals for turns or lane changes either.
The law may say the signs have to be put up. However, this is a classic example of an attorney playing games for attention. I am sure there is likely a clause in here to get more than just the money back as well. In the end if this clown wins, the only winner will be the lawyers.
This lawyer speciallizes in "police misconduct." That is just great. I suppose if the glove doesn't fit, you must aquit. Oh wait, you are the same one who was claiming OJ was innocent on here, are you not? Boy are we safer with you around.
I might point out as well the argument here is that the law was not enacted properly. It does not call the law unconstitutional or illegal. That is because it is not.
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January 7, 2008 - 11:17am | pixieteeth
Is not a safety pen. I'm sorry. However, we can enjoy all of our constitutional freedoms until and unless autocrats choose to mangle the constitutional rights of the US and Alaska with impunity.
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January 7, 2008 - 11:19am | TheSdog
Be as unsafe as you want.
However, once your behavior starts to threaten my safety we have a problem.
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January 7, 2008 - 12:05pm | pixieteeth
cause me a problem then we have a problem. I have the right to constitutional right of speech. Your bullying tactics and worry about "safety" (what a handy catch all) notwithstanding. Furthermore, I feel unease at the number of people driving with high blood pressure. They are putting us all at risk. If people with high blood pressure are not being treated then they should have their ADL revoked. If they cannot control their high blood pressure how can they control a 3000 lb vehicle. They are putting me more at risk than cell phone drivers.
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January 7, 2008 - 1:41pm | TheSdog
There are medical conditions which do prohibit you from driving such as blindness and uncontrolled seizure orders. If you knew anything about hypertension you woulkd realize most people do not even know they have it.
You can also lose your license for excessive tickets which is an indication of unsafe practices.
You want to continue to make ridiculous statements about high heels and hypertension. It seems you are advocating no restrictions on who can drive and what activities they can be involved in while driving.
And yet you advocate drunk driving laws, driver's licenses, red lights, stop signs, etc. It appears you truly are not free when you drive with all those darn laws.
Welcome to society where you are free but that does not give you the right to do whatever you want. You have to respect your fellow man and that is what this law is about.
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January 7, 2008 - 1:51pm | pixieteeth
The blood pressure types get all frightened when driving and they could hurt themselves if they see someone with a cell phone in use. Are they taking their medication? We need to know. Also, testosterone poisoning. The individuals with this ailment pose a great danger to my safety on the road and your safety as well. Don't you truley care about safety on the roads? Or do you just care about jamming your cell phone agenda down my and others throats?
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January 7, 2008 - 5:47pm | MeganLarson
You completely ignored everything Sdog said and continued on with your line of thinking. You're taking it to the silly, inane, and extreme. Try another arguement because this one's not working.
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January 8, 2008 - 8:32am | pixieteeth
therefore, she assumes, ignorantly, that everyone else is equally limited. Megan is an airhead with jarhead aspirations. Nonetheless, she engages in formal fallacies in her "thinking". Fallacy of false cause, because she sneezes she believes this causes her cell phone to ring; she believes that her airhead limitations distribute over the entire population. She should honor her own limitations; however, she in typical republican thug-like mentality aspires to limit everyone else to exactly her own personal limitations by encoded law. Furthermore, she believes as a republican that she is a supervoter therefore a supercitizen relative to the others; the serfs - you and I. Further, I believe she believes sincerely and completely in empire building that's why exactly she lives here in Alaska. Her gender and age make no difference. Her personality traits are those of Henry VIII; she thinks Alaska is ripe for empire building and power mongering vis-a-vis the removal of cell phones from the populace. She doesn't impress me a bit.
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January 8, 2008 - 12:22pm | rfn
Some among us would need surgery in order to put away their cell phones.
Surgical removal of the device that has put roots down into the ear canal and sucked the life out of what used to be the "thinking" part of their brain. In extreme cases, even some teeth may have become involved; often the first indication of the extent of the problem.
Such operations are best performed without anaestesia. In this way the patient remembers, a tad longer, not to risk re-infection.
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January 7, 2008 - 6:06pm | AK_Lady
Pixie is driven, huh?
Look at this. The new plate wouldn't clash. I wonder if it has Bluetooth? I have some 4" heels in the garage somewhere, what size do you wear? ;)
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January 7, 2008 - 6:17pm | MeganLarson
I just won't use my cell phone while driving it.
Size 8 shoes.
I'm sure we'd turn heads driving around town in that beauty in our 4 inch heels with the new license plate and the driver's cell phone safely stowed, because it's dangerous to dial and drive! Remember, I have dibbs on summer! ;)
I wonder if it comes with BlondeStar?
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January 8, 2008 - 8:18am | pixieteeth
Megan got run over by a reindeer
literally, on television. Did you see it? Remember? This? is the person who is going to determine what communication gear Alaskans can travel with?
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January 8, 2008 - 1:26pm | AK_Lady
No, that was Meghan Stapleton. I wish she'd go back to work for KTUU since she quit working for the guv. She was a good reporter and news anchor.
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January 8, 2008 - 2:26pm | pixieteeth
Well, we need to keep the freedoms to speak even in our vehicles no matter who the Megans du jour happen to be. OK everybody. May all your dreams come true. Including the freedom to speak or bark on cell phones in Alaska. Have a pleasant day. Sorry, Megan, I was using you as a sounding board and a plank to rail against in the imaginary argument with the "republicans" in my mind... (I trust you understand...fully...)
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January 8, 2008 - 10:01pm | MeganLarson
No worries. It was an imaginary argument, as you said. Quite fitting for a pixie. :) I really like pixies; I even have Tinkerbell on my purse. The one that holds my cell phone.
There was no danger on the road from Megan Larson today: I didn't dial and drive! There was enough to focus on with the snow, huh?
Lady, let's make sure it's a convertable but with a great heater for days like this.
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January 8, 2008 - 10:41pm | pixieteeth
Thanks. I'm driving very carefully. It's so darned slippery. It was a luminous, and imaginative argument. All's well that ends...cheerfully. Mahlo for your patience...:)
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January 9, 2008 - 8:06am | MeganLarson
I'm glad you're driving safely. Mahalo! :)
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11 January 5, 2008 - 8:39pm | volcanoman
obnoxious xenon headlights that have no more luminosity than today's standard lights but definitely are more blinding to those caught in their beams.
The Car Talk guys called for it over a year ago and just because the youngies think they're cool just doesn't cut it in the winter driving
down Tourniquet Arm and other unlit highways in our long nighted winters.
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10 January 5, 2008 - 5:12pm | celtic_diva_ak
AnthonyLemons...for the love of all that is holy...
...PLEASE learn how to summarize!
Reason number 1,999,999 why not to visit your blog.
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January 5, 2008 - 5:29pm | anthonylemons_blogspot_com
Another positive comment, directed towards me.
How nice of you to mention that I have a blog so that everyone may visit. Thank you for advertising for me. Blog name? Oh, its called 'Wake up U.S.'
By the way, what is reason 1,999,458? Thanks.
Back on topic:
1. Does a cell phone law violate the dormant commerce clause?
2. Does the Statute infringe on freedom of speech?
3. Does the Statute violate equal protection of the laws?
4. Does the Statute violate substantive due process?
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January 5, 2008 - 5:31pm | anthonylemons_blogspot_com
Isn't this the cell phone ban thread? For all who did not get a chance to read the comment; it was a court case in New York involving the cell phone ban there. It was an on topic comment, but I believe that the moderator simply thought that it was too long. Anyway, a cell phone ban in cars is not the way to go.
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January 6, 2008 - 5:08am | celtic_diva_ak
...that you basically cut and paste the entire decision - about a mile's worth of text.
Gee...I wonder why it was removed...
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January 6, 2008 - 12:57pm | AK_Lady
Since when is that a problem? Stumpy & Co do that all the time!
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January 6, 2008 - 3:29pm | inawe1
I enjoy and appreciate anthoneys postings and I am learning alot reading them. I also enjoy reading the reactions to his posts. I get to mull it all over myself using both sides to come to my own opinions.
I think I am becoming an addict, to blogs. Is there a meeting for that? :)
Got the addict thing from pitter patter, thought it was funny and oh so true.
Keep on posting guys I love to learn.
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January 6, 2008 - 4:02pm | anthonylemons_blogspot_com
your comment really made me feel good for actually caring about OUR rights. Some people think attacking me personally creates a constructive debate. Thanks again.
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January 6, 2008 - 6:38pm | bebob
Anthony. it really was a long piece. perhaps a quick ref to where it is on your website. would speed things along and you may not get flaged.....just a thot
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January 6, 2008 - 6:47pm | AK_Lady
There have been many "novels" posted on this blog. anthonylemons' post was actually shorter than others I've seen.
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January 7, 2008 - 11:31am | bebob
it was just a suggestion. :)
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January 6, 2008 - 7:56pm | anthonylemons_blogspot_com
Thank you for pointing that out...
the difference between my postings and some others is that mine are for the good of ALL Alaskans, not just a party or group. I look out for us all and don't follow an agenda. Once again, thank you to those who also care for our Constitutional Rights, and their protection.
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January 7, 2008 - 1:42pm | TheSdog
except the ones injured in accidents because someone was using a cell phone while driving.
And yes Anthony it has happened. I have seen it.
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January 7, 2008 - 5:33pm | anthonylemons_blogspot_com
Its called life. Accidents occur all of the time with all sorts of reasons that contribute to them. I can go on and on with different reasons why accidents happen, but we all know this already, and to pass off cell phones as being some leader in distractions is not only misleading, but screams; "the sky is falling...".
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8 January 5, 2008 - 2:44pm | disenchanted01
It's not about rights at all, its about the value of punishment (fines). Bad law is not a good substitute for education or common sense. The majority of drivers don't have two accidents a year, the majority of drivers can operate a car and a cell phone with little difficulty. Taking private property is just fine-tuned extortion.
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7 January 5, 2008 - 12:15pm | rfn
Alaska would need a couple of laws:
1. Outlaw simple possession of a cell phone in any part of a motor vehicle where it is accessible AND/OR audible to the driver. Would keep the incessant ringing from distracting.
2. Outlaw the presence of any child or animal in any part of any motor vehicle where said child or critter has access to the driver or whose yapping is audible to the driver. Maybe a soundproof trunk would be OK....or the bed of a pickup if equipped with proper restraints, airbags, etc.
Oh yeah....presence of any reading material within reach of the driver wouldn't hurt, either.
Hey, there's already a law on the books about TV screens....maybe we also need one about the screens on some of those navigational devices. Handy? Yeah. Distracting? Yeah.
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January 5, 2008 - 1:21pm | Stumpy1
Four hours of TV a day is not enough
I guess the new cell phones will also have TVs built into them. Drivers could then talk with their friends, send emails, and watch TV all at the same time.
Oh yeah, and drive too.
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مسجات
رسائل حب
رسائل معايدة
رسائل الجوال
أدب وفن
تحميل كتاب
ابيات شعر
معنى كلمة
معنى اسم
روايات
روايات عبير
روايات احلام
روايات جواسيس
روايات سعودية
روايات جديدة
طبق
جامعة
صوت
منتدى النبراس للالعاب
منتدى العاب
سوالف الأعضاء
التصميم
القسم الرياضي
مستلزمات التصميم
فرفشة
قسم المسابقات و الالعاب
العاب الجوال
السوفت وير
الهاردوير
مركز تحميل
تطوير المنتديات
لـعـبـة تـرافـيـان , Travian Games
حرب القبائل
World of Warcraft
العاب اون لاين
لعبة يوغي يو Yo Gi Oh
العاب التصويب FPS
الاستفسارات و المشاكل
ألعاب البي سي PC Games
قسم العاب التورينت , Torrent
الألعاب الاستراتيجية RTS
قسم الالعاب
Playstation World
PLAYSTATION® Network
PlayStation®Portable
Xbox World
Nintendo World
Console Games
Warcraft III & Dota-Allstars
Multiplayer
الدعم الفني والطلبات
سيد الخواتم , معركة الأرض الوسطى
Battle For Middle Earth I & II & ROTWK Replays
الدعم الفني وطلبات Battle For Middle Earth
Generals & Zero Hour Balance & Multiplayer issues discussions
Generals & Zero Hour Replays
الدعم الفني والطلبات لـ Generals Zero Hour
Red Alert 3
Red Alert 3 Replays
منتدى انمي
رسوم انمي
تقارير الانمي
المانجا
مدونات الانمي
صور الانمي
انمي اكشن
Manga Masters
انمي جديد
افلام انمي
حلقات انمي مترجمة
مسلسلات انمي
حلقات انمي
اغاني انمي
كليبات انمي
الضيافة
رساله من السماء
اناشيد اسلامية
ربعي
MMS
همسات
رماس
الالعاب و الترفية
اعضاء تحت المجهر
دراما يابانية و كورية
الثقافة الاسيوية
Graphics
Flicker
pixel
الانامل
تعليم رسم الانمي
القصص و الروايات
إحساس قلم
اخبار الرياض
اخبار نجران
اخبار الدمام
اخبار عسير
اخبار الجبيل
اخبار ينبع
اخبار حائل
اخبار جازان
اخبار السعودية
برامج كمبيوتر
برنامج الوافي
تحميل ماسنجر
برامج الاسهم
برامج الجوال
جوال الجيل الثالث
العاب جوال نوكيا
برامج حماية
برامج تصميم
افلام , مسلسلات
مسلسل تركي
مسلسلات mbc
افلام اجنبية
مسلسلات سعودية
سينما الكويت
مسلسل كويتي
مسرحية كويتية
مسلسلات قطرية
مسلسلات بحرينية
سينما مصر
مسرحيات مصرية
فيلم مصري
مسلسل مصري
مسلسلات رمضان
افلام كرتون
مسلسل اماراتي
موسوعة القرآن
قصص القرآن
سور القرآن
تلفون الكويت
صالون
صيدلية
دليل هاتف
اغاني
دليل الفن
مواقع الجوال
دليل الحيوانات
مواقع الشيعة
منتديات رياضية
خدمات المواقع
محركات البحث
الصحة و الطب
مدونة
قبيلة
مواقع الالعاب
مواقع الدردشة
الجرائد و الصحف
منتديات الاسهم
الشركات المساهمة
التحليل
البنوك
مواقع نسائية
شرح تركيب هاك
هاكات 3.6
هاكات 3.8
هاكات 3.7
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