DISCUSS: Wolf hunting

Men used to move to Alaska to become "Real Men". Now Alaska is the land of the "Real Coward", most too cowardly to be serial killers of women, modern Alaskan men torture and kill Wolves and Bears from the safety of aircraft to feel like "big strong men", to cover up for actually being measally, wimppy worms.

74 January 17, 2008 - 11:06pm | awimages

Watch Important New Video

As a fellow hunting family, I invite you to see the new video, Ending Aerial Wolf Hunting ( http://current.com/items/88811075_end_aerial_wolf_hunting )

Created by long-time wildlife photographers and residents of Alaska, this explosive video blasts the justification for Alaska's current aerial wolf hunting program and rallies voters to end it. Using testimony from Alaska Department of Fish & Game staff, a master hunting guide, and Board of Game members, this video exposes the fallacy behind Governor Sarah Palin's claim that predator control is based on sound science. Declarations that the program is for the benefit of subsistence hunters are shattered with documentation showing that sport and trophy hunters take up to 73% of prey in areas where aerial wolf hunting has taken place. End Aerial Wolf Hunting rallies support for H.R. 3663, legislation now being considered in the U.S. Congress which will close the loophole in the Federal Airborne Hunting Act that has been exploited to allow this practice to continue. Five years in the making, this video exposes the truth about the stranglehold the hunting lobby has on wildlife management in Alaska.

Thank you for watching!

Dorothy Keeler
http://akwildlife.com/Photographers.html

73 August 28, 2007 - 12:11pm | dw

Wah ha ha ha

Bertmaxak, Sdp151, Snowbunnie ....
Heh heh heh heh ....
Go ahead folks...
read what they have to say...
Like others have said...
"they're always on the wrong side of every issue "...
Ah hah hah hah!
They have "RAIDS"...
for Rude, Arrogant, Ignorant, Draconian, Sansclulotte...

August 29, 2007 - 2:06am | bertmaxak

Hey dw, what's happenin'

Have you seen the recent poll from channel 2 news?

54% in favor of predator control.
44% opposed

Looks like you're still stupid, childish and most of all...
WRONG!! Keep up the good work.

August 29, 2007 - 1:19pm | dw

Wus-up Bert?

Like I said... you're more wrong than right & the poll % proves it. Nyuk, nyuk, nyuk. Yep.. I always do good work AND I enjoy it. Heh heh heh. For being "stupid & childish"... I sure do get to YOU Bert. Smile, ya look better that way... later!

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August 30, 2007 - 4:25pm | bertmaxak

If I'm attacked, I'll defend myself...

Remember your words, dw? Yet your first post here was nothing more than a personal attack on individuals on this board, and you still couldn't get the facts right. Still living in your little hypocritical fantasy world? (It's a rhetorical question everyone knows the answer to--except you).

Anyone who has read any of our bantering with each other knows that I have intellectually whooped you on every occasion. A virtual reality bitch-slap every time.
To soothe your obviously bruised ego, I'll admit you do get to me, dw. Much like the rare hemmoroid does. My hemmoroid heals. YOU, however, remain a continuously wounded sphincter, spewing to the world.

So, back to point, do you have anything to add to the relevant discussion regarding wolf hunting? Either way? I didn't think so.

Oh, and by the way... MAGGIE'S STILL HERE, AND THE BID IS UP TO $850,000! And Bob Barker?...what a joke.

Waa haa haa haa!

August 31, 2007 - 1:42pm | dw

"JOKE"

... Your last word Bert... and it's on YOU! Gotcha!
Wah ha ha ha ha!

72 August 26, 2007 - 4:12pm | tellis65

$$$$$$$

I can't belive that hardly any mention of dollars has been mentioned on this forum. How many dollars per year does the hunting industry bring in? Anyone? I would quess millions. Do you think maybe this has something to do with decisions being made to potentially increase moose numbers. You want to hunt wolves great, go for it. Doesn't bother me. But to use the $ for helicopters? How bout you get off your backside and go get 'em? And for you folks that can't get off the atv to take a shot then you better get in shape because killing wolves is not (read it hear first!) I repeat NOT going to increase moose numbers in particular to the popular hunting areas that the majority of of the public uses. Roadside hunting should not be our measure of moose populations.
Don't tell me you all are scared of a wild dog.

August 27, 2007 - 6:22am | bertmaxak

Typical Misinformation from the Uninformed

Let me tally the fallacies.

A wolf is not a wild dog.

An attempt to increase moose numbers is for the rural or subsistence areas, not for road hunting in the most popular areas.

ATV's are tools to most people in the bush. When YOU get a few hundred pounds of groceries from the store do YOU carry them home 5 miles. NO, you drive a car.

This issue is not about HUNTING wolves, rather culling them to reduce their prolific numbers. Sportsmanship and fair-chase are non-sequitor. If a person were to spend his time hunting wolves, there wouldn't be much time left to hunt moose (you know, to feed their families).

Wolves are intelligent and elusive. Killing them from airplanes (contrary to myth) is not easy, nor cheap. Using helicopters would be faster and more efficient, thus saving those $$$$ you are talking about.

Your post seems to be about the idea that sport hunters are traveling to areas and eliminating the moose, so now we must use predator control. This notion has been reviewed and rejected, repeately.

It's this simple. A number of bush communities stated that moose populations were in decline. They use this resource for food. They claimed an increase in wolves was, at least, partially to blame. There are lots of wolves. The state agreed. Predator control measures were started in those areas.

Posts such as yours are examples of why this issue is so screwed up. People like you who know nothing want to be in control.

August 27, 2007 - 11:24am | tellis65

yeah your right. You might

yeah your right. You might have to put down your grociers and then get off your atv to take a shot.

August 27, 2007 - 10:30am | tellis65

I want to be in control?

August 28, 2007 - 2:45am | bertmaxak

A double barbed poker of ignorance

In the bush, moose ARE groceries. You missed the point because you apparently have issues with ATV's. So do I. Don't care for them. I don't own one, never have, and don't use them for hunting. Many villagers in the predator control areas do, however. They don't necessarily road hunt as you envision it. If a person in the bush wants to shoot their moose from the seat of their ATV, so be it. If, like me, they want to walk their fat butt to the hunting ground, so be it. But that isn't the issue. Wolves are. If there are no moose to shoot because of a large wolf population, then the family goes without moose in the pantry.

And yes, you want to be in control.
And yes, you want to be in control, as evidenced by your keyboard stuttering and faux indignation.
Let's see...
...you don't want hunting revenue used for helicopters...
...you approve wolf HUNTING, but only if hunters do it the way YOU approve...
...you want to mandate what pyhsical shape these hunters should be in...
...you want to regulate whether a hunter should be on or off their ATV to shoot...
Yes. You obviously want to be in control. And you still know nothing.

Also, you're wrong about increasing moose numbers. Killing wolves in the predator control areas WILL increase moose numbers in those areas. If the state decided to kill wolves in the popular hunting areas that the majority of the public uses (as you so incorrectly stated), then moose populations would MOST DEFINITELY increase in those areas too.

71 August 26, 2007 - 1:20pm | leslasd

Wolf Killing

There has to be a balance between predator and prey. Wolves, pure and simple, as ranchers in Montana and Wyoming are finding out, are KILLING MACHINES. The animal rights folks would have you believe that they only kill what they need to survive, but anyone who has studied them knows that they kill to kill.....there is insurmountable empirical data that clearly proves this point. Alaska is a phenomenal place and the relationships in the animal kingdom are delicate. Both Wolves and Brown Bears, in some areas, need to have their populations reduced, or the impact on Moose, especially, and Caribou become extremely negatively impacted. Moose have all but disappeared in some areas and, once again, the data that shows why is as clear as can be.....hopefully the animal rights folks will not have the successes in Alaska that they have had in other states where their work has been totally detrimental to some species of wildlife. I don't live in Alaska but I have visited the state every year for nearly two decades now.....I have seen the impact first hand of what an out of control wolf population can do.....it is NOT good! Can you say KILLING MACHINE??

70 August 26, 2007 - 8:58am | vtcaliski

Aaaaahhhh Yes

This is exactly why we left Alaska...to get away from all the diesel truck drivin; bible thumpin' gun carryin' no education idiots. You guys up there can kill all your wildlife, pave Alaska, and rob it try of every drop of oil.

And then one day you will need to answer to your children and your grand children.

August 27, 2007 - 6:38am | bertmaxak

State of Confusion

I was curious. To get away from these things you mentioned, where did you move? To the jungles of Borneo? It just seems that you're going to experience even more of all that crap no matter what state of the union you go to.

With your misconceptions about killing all the wildlife, paving over the state, and leaving all that oil in the ground (to do what? exist in its natural environment and harmonize with the earth?), good riddance to you. You obviously didn't understand Alaska in the first place.

I answer to my children now (and will in the future). They're better educated than you'll ever be.

August 26, 2007 - 4:24pm | akdan747

to little too late

thats too bad more people like you didn't leave sooner.

69 April 7, 2007 - 10:12am | sdp151

Romeo

Again, for all the people that claim the wolves won't come into town, read the news.

Romeo snatched up a dog in Juneau.

Alaska needs the wolf-kill program, we need to get the population down before it gets out of control.

SAVE A HUMAN, SHOOT A WOLF.

April 17, 2007 - 7:03pm | wtf_wwjd

Double Standard Again

Didn't you just tell me "Don't blame animals for human stupidity, or other animals stupidity."? The wolf did not hurt the dog. And shouldn't the little pug have been on a leash when everyone knew the wolf was around? People let their dogs play with Romeo. The irony here is that Romeo was in danger of being killed for being too friendly! Hopefully Romeo will just head for the hills when summer comes and never come back. I saw a wolf run through my yard about four years ago right here in Anchorage. So what? It didn't hurt anyone. I see coyotes regularly at Kincaid, the BLM lands, Conner's Bog, Glenn Alps, and Turnagain Arm. You had better not go to any of those places without yer gun. Have any of them 'et your baby? Anybody's baby? Sorry you are so terrified of canines. Get therapy!

April 17, 2007 - 10:35pm | mcaress

I guess I haven't kept

I guess I haven't kept current with the news, when did "romeo" bring the "pomie" back?

April 17, 2007 - 10:53pm | wtf_wwjd

Romeo

A few minutes after picking up the pug.

August 27, 2007 - 1:33am | bertmaxak

Good will towards food

And we all know that Romeo was just taking the pup somewhere safe, to raise and nurture it as his own....
...how ignorant and naive can you be?

68 April 5, 2007 - 4:24pm | sdp151

It's already starting

Anyone that read the national news today got to read the article about the COYOTE in downtown CHICAGO that entered into QUIZNO'S.

This is what Alaska is trying to stop from happening. Like I said before, I don't mind the moose in Anchorage, but I will mind the wolves when they start moving in. Stop telling me they won't, because when they eat too many moose they will have to, just like the coyote in Chicago.

SAVE YOUR CHILDRENS CHILDREN - SHOOT A WOLF!!

April 16, 2007 - 12:44pm | wtf_wwjd

Are you for real?

Do you actually believe all of the things you say? Do you even think before you write? You dig incredibly deep to find anything that a wolf, and now a coyote, has done to threaten a human. At the same time you have completely ignored the fact that moose are responsible for stomping, kicking, injuring, and even KILLING, humans and dogs. Have you forgotten about the untold number of injuries and property damage and loss, due to vehicle/moose collisions? If you are truly concerned about human safety, which I doubt, you would be shouting: SAVE YOUR CHILDREN'S CHILDREN- SHOOT A MOOSE!!

August 28, 2007 - 3:16am | bertmaxak

Screen name explains it all

Your moniker tells alot about why you are so confused. Kind of like Ghandi saying, "Peace and love to you all. NOW KISS MY BACKSIDE, A#$HOLE.

If I lived in McGrath, or one of the other predator control areas, I would follow your advice and save my children by shooting a moose. The kids would be fed. If a large wolf population was responsible for killing my moose, and my family was in danger of going hungry, then I'd tell you for certain that wolves (or coyotes) were definitely threatening human lives.

Oh, what a coincidence. That's what's happening.

So, by your logic, we should kill all the moose because of how dangerous they are, but leave the wolves because... (they are so cute and cuddly?) Then what would the wolves eat? And, if wolves weighed 1000 lbs, and stood 6 feet tall (like moose), they'd cause just as much vehicular damage as moose, and they'd eat whatever, and whoever they wanted.

A wolf doesn't have to bite me for me to know it's potential.

April 16, 2007 - 2:24pm | sdp151

Darwin's Theory

Survival of the fittest. If you get stomped by a moose, then maybe you should have opened your eyes and not crossed it's path. If you hit a moose with your car, then maybe you should slow down when driving, and again open your eyes.
Don't blame animals for human stupidity, or other animals stupidity. The dog didn't have to go start with the moose, it should have known better.

Maybe people that think it's the mooses fault the human got stomped shouldn't be allowed to breed? I bet that would help your "human safety".

April 17, 2007 - 6:54pm | wtf_wwjd

You like double standards

Then if you go into the woods and get attacked by a wolf, (fat chance)then it will be your fault. You shouldn't have been there. Don't blame the wolves or coyotes, that you want killed, for your stupidity. You are the one going on and on in this forum about killing wolves to protect humans, not me. You want wolves killed for something you think they might do, but hug the moose that are causing death, injury, and property damage to people and dogs. I am sure that many a dog musher who has had a moose charge into their team, will appreciate your comment that "The dog didn't have to go start with the moose." And I am sure that the family of the man that got stomped to death on UAA's campus will appreciate your comments too. Furthermore, the many people that hit moose in the dark of night with their vehicles will be happy that you say it's their fault. So you go back to your war against wolves and coyotes. I am sure that that coyote that wandered into the Quizno's in Chicago was real dangerous.

April 22, 2007 - 10:51am | snowbunnie

Are you forgetting

That Alaska is the "Last Frontier"? It sure seems it. You must have come from a city...

67 April 4, 2007 - 7:56am | illiamna

Wolf Hunting

The science behind the "need" to hunt wolves is indistinct. Downright murky might be a better description. It has yet to be proven that killing wolves balances the predator-prey structure. If the moose population crashes, so will the wolf population. Mother Nature will see to it without human intervention. Paying a bounty proves, again, the short-sightedness of Alaskan leadership. Allowing aerial wolf-hunting is foolish enough. Don't add insult to injury by paying a bounty.

August 26, 2007 - 1:36pm | Macqueen

Do some research for crying out loud.

Wildlife managers are paid to manage our wildlife populations so we DON'T have the drastic 40 year swings where predator and game populations go from way too many to not nearly enough. You are the one who is foolish by professing to understand things that you clearly do not.

April 4, 2007 - 6:25pm | mcaress

Thats your opinion

But the fact remains, the "balance of nature" is only a theory!!

66 April 4, 2007 - 7:27am | mcaress

Unit 13 nelchina basin

The aerial portion of the predator control in Unit 13 is over for this year. Of course its not front page news in the ADN today.

April 6, 2007 - 12:19pm | mdubo

UNIT 13 NELCHINA BASIN

The wolf management program has been very successful. the reason i say this is look at the caribou herd and the high rate of calf survival. before they started the wolf management program you would be challenged to find very many calfs surviving their first winter.now after reducing the wolf population their are many more calves, which means the herd has really started to grow to the point where the herd can sustain both a human harvest and and the wolves in the area will get theirs also. what's wrong with that?

April 4, 2007 - 7:33am | mcaress

But you can read all about

But you can read all about it in the Fairbank Dailey news-miner. All the details included!!!

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