DISCUSS: Smoking around town

A smoking ban proposed by two Anchorage assemblymen would banish cigarettes from bars, bingo parlors and possibly city parks and would make it against the law to light up anywhere on city property. What do you think about these proposed changes? Are they too stringent? Are they moving the city in the right direction? What should the law be when it comes to smoking around Anchorage?

  26     January 2, 2010 - 3:16am | kasandra

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  25     December 26, 2009 - 1:47am | a22022a

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  23     October 27, 2009 - 5:25pm | mohammed89

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  22     October 18, 2009 - 2:02pm | asas

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  20     October 13, 2009 - 12:50am | sod

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  19     January 8, 2009 - 8:57am | alwazercom

thanks

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  18     May 24, 2006 - 1:00pm | russnewell

tobacco is addicting as well as harmful

Tobacco isn't a choice except at the beginning. It's an addiction. I've been there. The folks who are talking about their choices are really talking about their addictions, and the fact they cannot stop. To call their smoking a choice is to mask their denial of their addiction.

Second-hand smoke is harmful, and you get nicotine effects off it. When others smoke, we get to breathe an addictive substance. God bless the ban.

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  May 24, 2006 - 6:52pm | beaches

Smoking ban

This issue is NOT about those who are addicted to tobacco. If you stop and really think about it, it is about private property rights. Eating bacon isn't good for your health either, but plenty of restaurants are serving it to those who want it (until some government "nanny" orders those restaurants to stop serving it. I'm a non-smoker, and I have the freedom to decide which business establishments I want to go to. If I don't want smoke, I don't go there. FREEDOM OF CHOICE FOR BUSINESS OWNERS AND PRIVATE PROPERTY OWNERS is what it's all about.

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  May 24, 2006 - 8:52pm | alutiiq98

No, it would be a property

No, it would be a property owners rights situation if smoke only had an effect on the smoker.

The only way your bacon analogy would work is if the bacon YOU eat clog MY arteries.

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  May 25, 2006 - 7:30am | beaches

Smoking ban

You completely misunderstood my analogy. I do not know how anyone can possibly not accept the FACT that a smoking ban is a violation of property rights. Our government is supposed to protect those rights, not violate them. Business owners have the right to ban smoking in their establishments, or not. Customers have the right to choose whether they want to do business there, or not. Workers have the right to choose to work in a smoke-free environment, or not. It's all about rights and for the life of me I can not understand how someone would support the government's attempts to take away those rights.

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  17     May 24, 2006 - 12:57pm | KAB

Second Hand Smoke

Why should anyone have to be subjected to second hand smoke-a KNOWN health risk. Famlies should not have to stay home to avoid such risks. It is up to our Government to protect it's people.
Non smokers have rights too!

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  16     May 24, 2006 - 12:43pm | mest7782

Get a different job and stop complaining!!

For all of the bar/restaurant employees who don’t enjoy working in a cigarette-smoke filled establishment, and those who complain on behalf of the waiter/waitress/bartender, I have three words to say to all of you:

MCDONALDS IS HIRING!!!!

. . . as are many other businesses (retail, smoke-free restaurant, or otherwise) where second-hand smoke isn’t an issue.

You, as the waiter or waitress of a smoking-friendly bar/restaurant, knew full well that you would have to deal with cigarette smoke every working day. Yet, you decided to pick up a job application; you filled it out, signed it and returned it. You decided to start working there; you can also decide to stop working there.

If this asinine smoking ban gets passed, gods save us, what in the world is next on the banning list?!? Because the buck does not stop here; maybe, as one commenter in this discussion column mentioned, Anchorage could become a dry city. Ban all the alcohol. That would solve the problems of underage drinking, drunk driving, Fetal Alcohol Syndrome, and who knows what else, all in one fell swoop. But, I seem to remember that America tried that once and the outcome was not a good one.

America is all about freedom of choice: if you don’t like working in a bar because of the smoke, get a different job; if you don’t like hanging out in a bar because of the smoke, go somewhere else. You have the choice to stay or leave, no one is forcing you.

P.S. those of you claiming that this smoking ban would not hurt the businesses that allow smoking here is a little insight: there is a smoke-free bar downtown (at least one that I know of) and it is always dead in there, no matter what time of night you go in. The smoker-friendly bar, right around the corner, is always packed. It’s where everyone wants to hang out at. Now, I’m not saying it’s the cigarette smoke that draws in patrons, but the fact that they have the freedom to light up whenever they choose definitely plays a factor in deciding where drinkers are going to spend their money.

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  May 24, 2006 - 1:06pm | alutiiq98

Yes, the sky is falling. Run

Yes, the sky is falling. Run for your lives. It is an obvious and logical leap from exposing people to others' refuse and banning alcohol altogether.

It is great if you want to argue, but could you please stick to the subject at hand?

Mest, the non-smoking bar wouldn't have a problem with business if ALL the bars were smokefree, because there would be a level playing field. Everyone has the same rules.

Good lord, you'd think someone was saying you can never smoke again. Could you folks please find a little perspective here and calm down a little bit?

I have a cure to this problem for you- if you are in a bar, and you want to smoke, WALK 50 FEET FROM THE DOOR OUTSIDE AND SMOKE THERE, THEN, YOU CAN GO BACK INSIDE.

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  May 24, 2006 - 3:57pm | mest7782

Take your own advice

Boy, you are just looking for a fight, aren't you? Got a new come back for every post on this discussion board the moment something new gets said.

First, all bars start on an equal playing field. They all get to make the same choices when they first open: what kind of drinks do they want to serve, what kind of music do they want to play, and what kind of patrons they want to cater to. Non-smoking-bar owners make a concious decision to cut a huge portion of the market out of their business plan. They are not being disadvantaged by anyone but themselves.

Second, why should a smoker have to walk 50 feet away from a building? I think non-smokers should go outside if they don't want to breathe smoky air. Hell, might as well walk yourself all the way back home, since the smoke inside the bar is keeping you from having any fun.

And, about the sky falling . . . you gotta start somewhere when trying to reform the habits of a society. It may sound like a gigantic leap between a smoking ban and an alcohol ban, but the distance between the two is much shorter than anyone can fathom.

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  May 24, 2006 - 8:35pm | alutiiq98

N/M, not worth it.

N/M, not worth it.

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  May 24, 2006 - 1:16pm | sdp151

Smokers Rights

If *YOU* want fresh air, take your own advise.
Why would someone want to go to Coots, walk outside, smoke, then wait in the line to get back in?
Didn't think about that one did you? Maybe you should have.

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  May 24, 2006 - 1:23pm | alutiiq98

If I were a betting person,

If I were a betting person, I'd be alllll my money that the owner of Coots will build himself a nice little smoking porch for his little smoking empire so your little addicted world won't come to an end, as will most of the other owners of bars. And you can patronize those bars.

Besides, why is it a public problem if coots can't handle their own traffic? Please.

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  May 24, 2006 - 1:30pm | sdp151

Oh come on

Did you not read the complaint about these smoke huts? Do you not listen to your non-smoking pals? You should look at the view of ALL people here, and not be "racist" toward me. I don't see you harping on anyone else with the same views I have. Maybe I should press charges.. oh wait, the cops are too busy checking for seatbelts.

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  May 24, 2006 - 1:34pm | alutiiq98

So now there's a smoking

So now there's a smoking race?

Man, I wonder why I didn't see that on my last Census forms...

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  May 24, 2006 - 4:09pm | mest7782

Man, you always get caught up in the little details

Racism probably wasn't the most correct term for sdp to use in his rebuttal, but it carries the same point.

This smoking ban is a discrimination towards people who choose to smoke. Discrimination, of any kind, is illegal.

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  May 24, 2006 - 4:50pm | beaches

Smoking ban

More importantly, the smoking ban takes away a private business owner's rights. Why should they be forced to comply when they OWN their property and have every right to cater to their customers as they see fit. If this ban is passed, the door will also be open for banning smoking indoors in your own home and vehicle. I'm sick of people who support taking away the freedoms our men and women have fought and died for.

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  May 24, 2006 - 8:27pm | alutiiq98

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  15     May 24, 2006 - 12:38pm | drewneau

Right To Choose

I do not smoke. I do not frequent places that allow smoking because I choose to smell smoke free. I will not, however, tell someone else how they should run their private business. There is smoking in bars not because the owner wants them smoking, but because the patrons choose to smoke. I am also positive that employment at these businesses is not compulsory. More than likely, when a prospective employee began working at the establishment, smoking at the establishment was taking place. Therefore, if they were subsequently hired, they made a choice to work in a smoke-filled workplace. The prevailing theme is everyone has the right to choose. I have the right to frequent establishments that do not allow smoking, as I currently have the right to frequent bars that do allow smoking. The best part about all these choices, is I am not infringing upon my fellow citizen's rights. If the city tells me I can not smoke, then as its citizens, you are usurping my rights, the very essence of tyrrany.

"Any society that would give up a little liberty to gain a little security will deserve neither and lose both." Benjamin Franklin

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  May 24, 2006 - 12:44pm | sdp151

Thank you

It's nice to see that there are some people left in the world that acknowledge the right of choice, use common sense, and understanding. I would like to thank you, because even though you are a non-smoker, you still see the problems with these statements. You are a role model for America and all citizens. Thank you, on behalf of all smokers and on behalf of all TRUE Americans.

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  May 24, 2006 - 2:59pm | beaches

Smoking ban

I agree with you both. I am also a nonsmoker but I'll be damn if I will support any legislation that infringes on personal and business property rights. Far too many people seem to be more than willing to toss our freedoms right out the window for their own selfish reasons. For those who respect our freedoms, take a stand!

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  May 25, 2006 - 7:13am | sdp151

Yes

I think everyone is too concerned about the 'smoking' part of this issue, when they should be thinking "Hey, if smokers lose a right, then who's next?". I think everyone needs to be at this "public hearing" - smokers and non - just to work on keeping our rights and freedoms. I know this is a LOT to ask. I noticed people in this state just take these issues with a grain of salt, I have yet to see anyone standing around with a sign in protest. I think everyone needs to get out that day and go make a stand.
If we lose this one, what will they take from us next? Will they give in to teacher strikes and make all students pay for education? I know that's a big difference, but every right we lose makes that gap closer.

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  14     May 24, 2006 - 12:27pm | david_sewall

All for it

There are a few places around town I won't go to now that I have a new baby. My parents smoked when I was a child and I constantly had problems with bronchitis and other respitory illnesses.

I lived in Italy for 4 years and the first year was bad. Italians smoked like crazy...on trains, in malls, in restaurants, in cafes. The government first banned smoking on trains which was great because being on a stuffy, smoked filled train in humid, 80-90 degree weather got old quickly.

After that they banned smoking in all places that served food (which almost all bars and cafes did) so it was virtually smoke free inside everywhere. It was nice to come home after a good meal with my wife and not smell like an ashtray.

Smokers don't realize how bad it smells until they quit smoking and experience it themselves.

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  May 24, 2006 - 12:35pm | sdp151

We don't?

Who says we don't realize how bad it smells?? I know it does, and I'm still smoking!

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  May 24, 2006 - 2:26pm | david_sewall

My parents

My father and mother who smoked for many years both said they didn't realize how bad it smelled until after they quit. When they go to bars and other places with smoke they can't stand it when they get home.

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  May 25, 2006 - 7:16am | sdp151

They aren't me

They may not have realized it, but I would like to let you know I am a smoker, and I can't stand second hand smoke. If there's a lit one near me and the smoke is coming in my face, I can't take the smell. But I love sitting down and smoking. We had a discussion at our house last night about this issue, and all were in agreement that if this goes through, we will no longer go to the bar. If I can't have a smoke with my beer and game of pool, I can't go to the bar. That won't be a 'choice' for me, that will be forced upon me by loss of freedom.

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  13     May 24, 2006 - 12:16pm | michael_boshears

smoking

Oh please, a lot of things people do "negatively" affect other people one way or the other but they are not outlawed. These include, but are by no means limited to: Drinking alcohol, overeating, driving any deisel or gas powered vehicle, exempting churches from taxation, negligence on the job, medical malpractice, corporate welfare, using virtually any aerosol, any Republican and the list goes on and on.

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  12     May 24, 2006 - 11:13am | Mamie

SMOKING BAN

I think it is great that finally someone is doing something about the smoking situation in Anchorage. This will set an example for other parts of Alaska.

We spend the winters in California and everywhere we go it is crowded and smoking is not allowed. It certainly hasn't hurt business there and everyone I know loves it.

There are several bars here in town that have nice music but my friends and I don't go because of the smoking. When you come home, you have to shower, wash your hair, and hang your clothes in the garage. I would rather just not go.

I was wondering about private clubs and if they would also be included. At the Petroleum Club the TV's and sports viewing are all in a smoky back room. We never go there because men are even allowed to smoke cigars and we do not get to see the games on big TVs. I do not think this is right. Also, I feel sorry for the poor waitresses and waiters who work in that atmosphere.

Another place is the Moose. They have an open non-smoking room but the smoke from smokers just comes into that room. We do not go there anymore because of the smoke.

I hope places like these will be included.

Keep up the good work.

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  May 24, 2006 - 11:37am | sdp151

Please

I think you need to go back to California. You should stop spending summers here, and just stay in that messed up state.
If you have to "shower, wash your hair" and "would rather just not go" stop going!
Do you idiots realize that if this passed you're basically saying "If you smoke, stay home". That sounds to me like modern day segregation. What about OUR rights. We have rights too, and just because you're too picky and can't go somewhere because 'there's smoke' then stay out of there. Are you so rude and inconsiderate of other people that you can't go somewhere and have a good time MINUS the downfalls of it?
If you are going to complain about a SMOKING ROOM, then you need to get off your high horse and go live on the streets. Did you ever think about that you rich soc? Did you ever, JUST ONCE, put yourself in someone else's shoes and think about how they feel, and what they go through in life? NO, you didn't, and that's obvious because you won't go somewhere for one stupid reason. You remind me of the people that only go to certain bars because of "the other people there". Get over yourselves. We are all put here to live, so let's live.
America is free, if you can't deal with the choices people make in their FREE lives, then move - Russia would love you.

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  May 24, 2006 - 11:58am | alutiiq98

Do you idiots realize that

Do you idiots realize that if this passed you're basically saying "If you smoke, stay home".

Uh, no. Again. We'd be saying, if you smoke go outside, like you have to do most of the time.

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  May 24, 2006 - 12:49pm | sdp151

Uhh think again

They're talking about banning smoking in 'public places'. This means outdoors, and it means you can't walk outside the bar and light up. Think about what you're saying, you're saying you, as public don't want to deal with the smoke indoors or out, you're not telling us to walk outside and light up, you're telling us "don't put smoke in my air". And it's not what YOU say, it's what DAN COFFEY says. Hear what he says, as well as the rest of the assembly that wants this ban before you say I can go outside to smoke.
And why should I go outside? Why don't YOU go outside, and stop being in my smoke filled bar. Ever stop to think we like the smoke. Uh, no, because non-smokers don't think about these things. And I don't have to go outside most of the time...

While we're on the "outside smoking" isn't it true that in Juneau they can still smoke in their offices??? Why don't we work on that one before we try a ban?

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  May 24, 2006 - 1:01pm | alutiiq98

You're being awfully vocal

You're being awfully vocal on this- have you read the ordinance? I'd guess not, you don't seem like a facts-first type of person. I have read it.

Public spaces DOES NOT INCLUDE OUTDOOR PLACES.

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  May 24, 2006 - 1:14pm | sdp151

If So

Then why do they bring up parks? And what else will be brought up next? The bus station? The mall? The "Furondy" parking lot? And if you think this will only affect bars, you obviously are blind, and won't admit that it WILL get carried away.
And who says banning smoking will stop there, how many people have brought up the fact that booze will be next?
You don't need facts to fight for rights against STUPID laws. Make a law that child molesters have to get a paper signed by everyone on their block and I'll back it, NO QUESTIONS.

Banning smoking is segregation, and in case YOU don't know your facts, that's been outlawed.

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  May 24, 2006 - 1:26pm | alutiiq98

They're bringing up parks

They're bringing up parks because they're municipally owned land, and the city is exercising the right you people keep yapping about to regulate what happens on their own land.

Now, is anyone talking about the mall? Is anyone talking about booze? No, nobody supporting the ordinance is asking for a 'booze' ban, as you so eloquently put it, because it is a really stupid idea. Besides, your obvious drinking problems don't really effect anyone but you. The only people who are bringing up booze are the people who are ineffectively arguing against the ban because they mistakenly think it is making their argument seem stronger. It isn't.

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  May 24, 2006 - 1:33pm | sdp151

Not yet

But give it time, if you give up ONE right, you give up ALL rights.
Think about EVERYONE's FREEDOM, not what you think or what you think you know.
Excuse someone for trying to keep America free after all the coruption it's seen. Besides, if they ban smoking to make the non-smokers happy, then they better find out how to make it EQUAL for smokers. Or did you forget, ALL MEN ARE CREATED EQUAL?

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  May 24, 2006 - 1:38pm | alutiiq98

Yes, all men are equal.

Yes, all men are equal. We're working on that.

Non-smokers should have the right not to be assaulted and harmed by the actions of someone else in a public place.

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  May 25, 2006 - 7:18am | sdp151

You're working on INequality

So to keep non-smokers "safe" smokers can't go anywhere public? Why don't you just put us in jail then, because that's what you're trying to do. Why don't you just make another dumb law to put innocent people in jail. Yeah, that's real equal.

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  May 24, 2006 - 11:58am | alutiiq98

also, calling other people

also, calling other people idiots in your given state probably isn't the wisest idea.

Pot, meet kettle.

Are you trying to help your opposition?

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  May 24, 2006 - 12:51pm | sdp151

Wise vs. Freedom

I don't care if YOU think I'm wise, I'm here to fight for the rights of smokers and the FREEDOM of Americans, smokers and nons alike. Excuse me for trying to get a point across.

WORRY ABOUT REAL ISSUES. Like the child molester walking down your block right now, or that pothole you hit everyday, or the crack head junkie you live near.

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  11     May 24, 2006 - 9:57am | sdp151

It's about America and Freedom

When Christopher Columbus came over to America, the Arawaks gave him tobacco leaves as a token of friendship. Virginia became the richest colony from growing this cash crop. Our founding fathers smoked/grew tobacco and gave us FREEDOM.
It is absurd and socialist to ban smoking. If a bar doesn't want to deal with smoke, they have the FREEDOM to open an non smoking bar. If people don't want to go to a bar and smell smoke, they have the FREEDOM to go to another bar.
"It's not what your country can do for you" - this is how you people need to think. It's not about the non-smokers having to deal with smoke, it's about people imposing their beliefs on others. They are just like the illegal immigrants coming to America and complaining about our laws and practices. If you don't like it, MOVE. You have the FREEDOM to do that as well.
If you take away smoking in bars, are you going to take away booze next? If not, what about the people against drinking, don't they feel the same way the non-smokers do? Do non-drinkers enjoy driving past packed bars every weekend?
Everyone needs to do what they want with their life, and quit imposing YOUR beliefs onto the rest of us. WE ARE ALL FREE - that means free to think, feel, believe what we want. Free to drink, smoke, vote. Free to work, live, and we used to be free to persue happiness, but thanks to all these new nonsense laws we are getting farther from happiness.
I will follow laws that make sense, I will never obide by a law that was formed out of someone trying to hold back more freedoms. Just like the seatbelt law, I will wear it if I feel I need to - I will not wear it because someone says I should. If I feel comfortable not wearing it, why should I? Because someone made a STUPID law? No thanks, I'll watch out for myself.
Think about your freedoms here, if you support banning smoking, you're giving those people the support to make whatever laws and rules they way. You are giving in to the terrorist in a way, because you fear opinions and decisions that FREE people make.
What has happened to America?

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  May 24, 2006 - 12:05pm | alutiiq98

Yep, you and your seatbelt

Yep, you and your seatbelt or lack thereof are cool with me. I figure it is just Darwin at work.

SECONDHAND SMOKE, however, effects people OTHER than you, and I hate to break it to you if your momma didn't, but it isn't exactly a you-centric universe.

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  May 24, 2006 - 1:20pm | sdp151

You must be busy today

Darwin is a good man, that's why I've NEVER worn a seatbelt and still live to piss you off.
And this isn't about YOU or ME. This is about FREEDOM and the lack thereof, or have you yet to notice how little by little we ARE losing freedom. You may be willing to sit back while someone takes your life away, but I never will.
Did your momma ever tell you "give an inch they take a mile" apparently not if you're willing to give up someone else's freedom and think you won't one day lose yours.

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  May 24, 2006 - 1:31pm | alutiiq98

so, you're not arguing the

so, you're not arguing the merits of this particular ordinance, you're arguing because something more sinister might happen along the line?

Look, you're free to smoke. Common decency and ethics would say that it would be better to harm yourself in a place that doesn't harm other people. Why is that so hard to understand?

Besides, who are you or anyone else to say that bar and bingo workers don't deserve the same safeguards of their health that nearly everyone else does? What kind of freedom is that? Everyone else deserves a safe place to make a living wage BUT THEM. Because the "freedom" of a few people is more important.

That's just nasty.

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  May 25, 2006 - 7:23am | sdp151

Come on already

These people working these jobs CHOSE to apply, and CHOSE to accept the job they were OFFERED. Nobody shoved it down their throats, nobody said "You must go work in a bar and smell smoke because you hate it". NO, and you people are foolish to think that the people working at bars took the job hoping that noone would come in and smoke. There are other jobs out there, or haven't you checked that section of the web? HUNDREDS of jobs out there, and yes, everyone deserves a safe place to work - so if they think smokers are ruining their health that much, they can go get one of these other jobs.
You don't just deserve a safe job, you have to FIND it. You think the guys going out to the bush are 'safe'? What about the ones that go without guns, to these crazy villages? You think they're safe? Maybe you should take a riskier job then sitting behind a desk all day, and then you'll see the unsafer jobs out there, and that they have nothing to do with smoke. Obviously you just sit at a desk, on the computer, with nothing to do if you were on here all day yesterday.
Go get a new job, that requires you to do LABOR - then you'll see why OSHA makes their laws, and if you go to a construction site, you'll see a bunch of people smoking too!

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