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24 April 3, 2008 - 1:13pm | Vitez

It's not just lack of water

Villages without water are generally without other services as well. The lack of water is more a symptom than a cause. Building a washeteria in a village raises the living standard and brings better health. But the infrastructure required to make the washeteria work also improves the standard. Alaska should strive to bring under-developed villages into the modern era.

23 April 2, 2008 - 5:30pm | tanqikp

Sarah Palin...

this is why she cut the water and sewer projects around the state. She doesn't give a crap about the rural areas. This is why we, the tribal govn'ts need to sue the state and federal government. They fraudulenty took our rights, The Natives, in 1949 before we could even vote. We need to fight to get back our International Covenant Rights back to us.

April 2, 2008 - 5:59pm | quun43sr

Lead the way, fearless warrior!

Where do we build a platform? AFN? Unlikely since they represent the Corporations. There used to exist at one time an organization called the United Tribes of Alaska. Might be a good research topic to look at.

April 2, 2008 - 11:51pm | alaskan_grown

AFN's purpose is not to

AFN's purpose is not to represent the regional corporations. They are there to represent Alaska Natives and serve as a platform for Native voice.

22 April 2, 2008 - 2:38pm | kodiakfly42

You can live without water services if...

Boil the water and use that hot water to wash and bath with. A little diluted bleach goes along way to help with sanitation of surfaces where most virus are picked up. And simply get some sanitation wipes for routine handcare or hand sanitizer. Bleach and hand sanitizer is realitively cheap.

April 2, 2008 - 3:38pm | ArcticFlava

uhm...

You should probably read the massive warning label on the back of that bleech... =P

April 2, 2008 - 4:18pm | hannah6

Bleach or Clorox can be used

to purify water. It's also highly recommended for santizing surfaces (diluted in water). Google it, you'll see.
When I lived on the homestead, back in the day, we got our instructions on how to purify our water from the University of Alaska Extension Service (using Clorox). We also got our water supply tested from time to time.
Boiling water is only pracitical for small amounts. I'm not too sure I'd want to live my whole life drinking water purified with Clorox, so if I had continued to live in the boonies I would probably have searched for a better solution. I distill my water at home, now, but my distiller uses electricity. Could probably set up a non electric one just for drinking water in the Bush. These are things I would surely be researching if I still lived in the Bush.

April 7, 2008 - 9:58am | ArcticFlava

riiiight...

You enjoy that bleech! Drink up!...

21 April 2, 2008 - 2:34pm | fiademia

I don't know if that is a reasonable answer.

I happen to know two people who got pneumonia and they live in nice homes with proper running water. They were admitted to the hospital and were very sick. I just wouldn't believe this is the answer because they are old and don't live with a lot of people.

April 2, 2008 - 4:18pm | schneidler

misunderstood

The article wasn't saying running water will keep you from ever getting a lower respiratory problem. It just points out that places without running water have waaaaay higher rates of it than places that do have running water. It doesn't even draw any conclusions. We're all just speculating, going crazy making up reasons as to why that is, and whose fault it is, and what should be done about it, and who should pay for it, etc etc. The study is just an observation of a direct correlation (and probable, though not certain, causation) between a lack of running water and lower respiratory disease.

20 April 2, 2008 - 12:37pm | ArcticFlava

LoL

Some of these posts are ridiculous. Why is it when someone talks about the bush there is always some idiot on here screaming "racist"? The bush is not an all-native region... far from it. Bush does NOT equal native, nor should this be referred to as a ratial problem. On top of that, what is with the "alaska's first people" routine? Some posters on here act like the native people "own" alaska and its resources. If you acctually read a book once in a while, or knew anything about history, you would know the native people migrated here from mongolia. So how is this "native lane"? You migrated here, the same way the entire WORLD has migrated around since the first people. Of course the REST of the world had to fight to keep land they wanted. They had to fight to protect their way of life if they wanted. They had to be prepared to fight... or be conqured. If the native people REALLY wanted to call alaska theirs, they should have done just that. Of course how they would stop ANY country from taking it is beyond me, but it was their choice to make. So lets not act like this is YOUR land, its not. Its America's land. This is a state in the UNITED STATES. End of story. Quit trying to turn any article on the bush into a racial thing, its not. Bottom line they dont have running water because there is no economy, no money. If you want more services you can move near a larger economy. If you live in the bush expecting it to be Anchorage, your dellusional...

April 2, 2008 - 4:04pm | strachan78

Racisim

After re-reading the article I believe that YOU are the one making a big deal about racism. Sure it mentions Alaska Natives in the beginning of the article, but MOST persons in rural areas are Alaska Native. Unlike in Anchorage. I don't think the journalist, the CDC, IHS are the racist ones. I honestly believe you are, and people like you deserve a little "reverse racism" thrown back at you.

April 3, 2008 - 7:22pm | ArcticFlava

Wow...

Lol, i never stated the ARTICLE was racist, i clearly said the POSTS were. But thank you so much for making my point for me. Racist.

April 2, 2008 - 4:26pm | Twiddledee

Wow!

To say that anyone deserves a little "reverse racism" thrown back at them is going a little too far, isn't it?

Is that why people play the reverse racism card? It seems to be much more prevalent today than traditional racism, and that's mighty sad indeed! Here we are trying to make progress in the world and some people want to hold us back...

April 2, 2008 - 1:43pm | probe1_2

The revenue sources

The state of alaska relies heavily on is from rural alaska. The only laughing matter here is your post.

April 2, 2008 - 1:58pm | ArcticFlava

LOL!

That's your comment? Yes, the state does in fact get revenue from its resources...

April 2, 2008 - 2:08pm | Gyro1949

Ya blew it!

You were supposed to pat him on the head, give him a treat, and tell him to go lie down by his bowl.

He was so proud of himself, too.

April 2, 2008 - 2:23pm | probe1_2

Maybe

That is the problem...just what is in the treat and inside the bowl?

April 2, 2008 - 2:07pm | probe1_2

LOL

After all the expounding, this is it?

April 2, 2008 - 1:07pm | miamaarons

You

Don't know your history

April 2, 2008 - 1:56pm | ArcticFlava

LOL!

It would appear you dont know your history. But humor us, lets here YOUR version of history? Im waiting...

April 2, 2008 - 1:37pm | Gyro1949

Huh?

Are you trying to say that Natives were all created here? That none of them emigrated from Mongolia?

If truth be told, (yeah, I know you're already ducking,) we ALL are "African-Americans," since we all came originally from African roots.

Look it up.

April 3, 2008 - 11:19am | alaskan_grown

And how did race even become

And how did race even become an issue here? This article was about rural alaska. Rural Alaska does not mean Alaska Native. I am from rural Alaska and I am Alaska Native, and i will say that I am tired of our people playing the race card when it doesn't even apply. I thought we were stronger than that. We blame the system for high incarceration rates or any other negative criticism that has anything to do with us. Sometimes we just need to accept the reality of things. Sometimes they aren't positive but rather than playing the race card, we need to look to more positive solutions. Many situations, such as with a water and sewer system have NOTHING to do with race. This article is not an attack on native people so lets all just let the race issue go.

April 3, 2008 - 6:38pm | Gyro1949

Don't ask me!

I as the guy who was first approached with the race card clues, resulting in first-degree race card playing.

I'm still trying to figure out how that race thing turned into a quest for the origin of mankind!

Seems there are a lot of people who need to make sure others know they really care about such things, and will defend certain people to the end of the Earth.

Even though those "certain people" aren't looking for defenders.

But the article does commence with a mention of Bush Natives.

April 2, 2008 - 2:32pm | alaskan_grown

And you're saying all

And you're saying all natives come from Mongolia? There are many different groups of Natives all with their different history and origin. Too categorize all of the Natives as one culture shows your ignorance. And nobody is claiming all Alaska natives were created in Alaska. But these groups were the first to occupy it, making them the first and original owners. I'm not saying they have any right to land over a non-native today though my any means. Race should not be an issue here.

April 2, 2008 - 5:29pm | Gyro1949

You really have a comprehension problem.

Re-read the first and second lines of my post that you warped out of recognition.

You are implying, (after supposedly reading my post,) that I think "all Natives came from Mongolia."

The WORDS in my post say that I was asking YOU if you thought all Natives were created here, and whether you thought NONE came from Mongolia.

As anyone with a brain can see, I never intimated that all Natives came from Mongolia. Nearest I got, (it can be inferred,) to your fantasy version is that maybe SOME did.

I did, however, state that all of us supposedly came from Africa. ("Lucy?")

And you're right. Race should NOT be an issue, today. I wish you would tell that to those who warped the thread out of the original version, into one where they express their self-hating racist whiteness so they can feel better about themselves.

Personally, I think it's rather presumptuous to ASSume that Natives have a need to be defended from those fantastic scenarios some folks create out of whole cloth. The Natives I know recognize phony liberal B.S. when they see it.

April 2, 2008 - 2:50pm | ArcticFlava

It is a FACT that ALASKA natives migrated over from mongolia. Who is to say they were the first tho? That would be a pretty big assumption. As far as this being "their" land, how would you explain that? Of the countless thousands of cultures that have been CONQURED thru out history, what makes them "extra" special? If someone wanted to claim Alaska today, America would FIGHT for it. That is the way the world has worked for a VERY long time. Im sure LOTS of people were settled and happy in Europe before Germany showed up in tanks, did they just pout and say they got dibs? No, they had to fight for it. If you diddnt fight for it, you diddnt want it bad enough. Is that fair? Not for me to say, its just the way the world works. I agree tho, race should NOT be an issue today. This is ALL Alaska's land now. Its just as much mine as it is any other resident. NO race should be given preferential treatment because of their skin color.

April 3, 2008 - 6:16am | eclaytonlewis

Removed

Well, I have removed many sentences for comments on this, so simply, I agree.

April 3, 2008 - 12:02am | valleymom

Gyro and Arctic,

Of course I don't agree with everything you write, but I truly DO enjoy reading your posts!

April 3, 2008 - 5:26am | Gyro1949

Thanks!

I wouldn't trust someone who agreed 100% with me. Or anyone.

April 3, 2008 - 7:24pm | ArcticFlava

Yes

I only trust the "voices"...

19 April 2, 2008 - 11:48am | quun43sr

Economy matters.

The Denali Commission has built brand new sanitation facilities in the YK Region and some are boarded up today because the costs to operate them (fuel & electricity are outrageous) are not factored into the design plans. Rural areas are rich in resources but the resource revenues benefit urban and out of State investors and operators. Dividends do come back to the landowner/shareholders but are spent already on the high cost of living, again outrageous fuel, electricity and grocieries prices. Corporate offices, shareholders and investors not based in the rural areas are the main beneficiaries of rural resources. There is no economies in the villages other than subsistence which feeds us and which is the main reason why I would not move to Fairbanks or Anchorage. There is no choice about moving to the Big City, it won't happen. The choice that should be made is whether or not Alaska's First People's should continue to bankroll "outside" interests with their resources at their expense? We can be creative by installing an indoor tank and heater with a short length of Arctic pipe to dispose of wastes into an underground pit. Indoor plumbing sounds impossible but can be arranged rather simply. We just need to be creative until something breaks.

April 2, 2008 - 12:00pm | Gyro1949

If you play the victim,

You will forever BE the victim.

Face it. Not a lot of us receive the lion's share of resource wealth from this state. It goes outside, whether you're living in the bush, or in Anchorage.

I wonder how many times the same fools will build white elephants that require upkeep, but not fund that upkeep.

I suppose that will occur as long as voters keep sending the same fools back to office.

April 2, 2008 - 12:07pm | shawnterachelle

Where

is this person playing the victim? Again, facts are being stated and you don't like them (because they're REAL), so you find a way to discount the person making the post.

April 2, 2008 - 12:14pm | Gyro1949

Let me point it out for you.

“Rural areas are rich in resources but the resource revenues benefit urban and out of State investors and operators. Dividends do come back to the landowner/shareholders but are spent already on the high cost of living, again outrageous fuel, electricity and grocieries [sic] prices. Corporate offices, shareholders and investors not based in the rural areas are the main beneficiaries of rural resources. There is [sic] no economies in the villages other than subsistence which feeds us and which is the main reason why I would not move to Fairbanks or Anchorage.”

Then: “The choice that should be made is whether or not Alaska's First People's should continue to bankroll ‘outside’ interests with their resources at their expense?”

I think that pretty much lays out the writer’s “victim” status.

Almost sounds like a call to revolt!

April 2, 2008 - 12:28pm | shawnterachelle

Hm.

All of those things stated were true facts. The rural areas ARE rich in resources, they DO benefit ouside people, the dividends DO go to the high cost of living. And if a revolt is what this person is calling for, fine then! That way they'll be doing what you've suggested all along and "payed their own way." By taking full control of the resources and where this money goes is doing exactly what you want them to do. So what's the problem?

April 2, 2008 - 1:57pm | Gyro1949

Talk about a feeling of ENTITLEMENT!

Sheesh!

The Alaska constitution says those things belong to all of us.

But I suppose when you are a racist such as yourself, none of those laws mean a thing.

I say, LET THEM TRY!

That'd pretty much put paid to all those Bush problems someone else is always tasked with taking care of.

;)

April 2, 2008 - 12:34pm | hannah6

Hmmm.

A revolution takes a lot of effort. I think we're probably safe.

April 2, 2008 - 1:47pm | probe1_2

Sad

Is this how most of urban area's feel? Remember, what goes around comes around...you will get your turn, and on that day I will be glad that I am not sickly and pale faced.

April 2, 2008 - 12:30pm | Gyro1949

And it sure was a WHINE!

Big bad civilization running rough-shod over the poor villagers.

18 April 2, 2008 - 11:43am | mark_springer

Where to begin....

As usual, there are no suprises to be had in most of the comments in this thread. Sure makes me proud to call myself an Alaskan, being in such wonderful company.
Lets bust a few myths before we cut to the chase.
First, the State of Alaska does not pay for nor install electric systems in villages. They finance some of them, but whether it is AVEC or a local power company, everyone pays by the kilowatt. So no freebie there.
Second, at least in Anchorage, renters don't pay property taxes (except for the amount loaded into the rent or lease) and there is no sales tax (unlike in MOST Second-Class Cities in the Bush) so a LOT of people in Anchorage get public services for free.
Third, water and sewer systems are being constructed in Villages, and belive me, it isnt a matter of just getting hooked up and getting free w/s. You pay or get disconencted, and there is not a State or Federal operating subsidy for those systems.
Fourth, outhouses don;t work too well in tundra.
Fifth, compsting toilets need electricty, an air supply, and ultimately a place to put the compost. When your small house is nearly buried in snow where are you gonna put the compost (and please, it isn't a rhetorical question.)
Now as to the overarching issue, it seems to me the topic of study was BABIES. Babies who come down with serious repiratory ailments, which are often life threatening. It troubles me to NO END that people skip right over that main point and play the handout card. I would rather see people playinig the Right to Life card and say that a 3 month old baby is as valuable in the eyes of God and everyone else as a fetus in it's 3rd month. All I can conclude from some of the more persistent posters is that the lives of people living in Rural ALaska, whether newborn or Elder are essentailly valuless unless they "choose" to become urban consumers.
I recall testimony by the Alaska Miners Association when ANCSA was being considered by Congress wherein they said, essentially, "don't give title to the Natives, let them all move to Anchorage so we can have more of the country opened up for mining."
What I am reading today reminds me of that enlightened mentality.
One of the more persistent and pernicious posters is a self-described agnostic. Well, are you a Right to Life agnostic or a Freedom of Choice agnostic?
Have you ever seen a baby with pneumonia or RSV?
We want our kids to be healthy. We aren't asking for "handouts" nor do we want to be told where to live.
We pay taxes, federal income tax (which is where Village Safe Water money comes from) and we pay local sales tax (which pays for our Police and other municpal services). Look on the DCRA (ok, DCED) website and see how many Second Class Cities there are and how much they charge in sales taxes. Also, keep in mind that most Second Class Cities were incorporated in the late 1960's with the promise of particular benefit accruing from being a political subdivision of the State!
For you cheechakers reading this, my bonafides speak for themselves - in Alaska since '76 and spilled honeybucket for 20 years in Hooper Bay.
'nuff said.
Mark E. Springer
Bethel

April 2, 2008 - 12:15pm | hannah6

COMPOSTING TOILETS

Not all require electricity. You can even get them that operate on 12-volt batteries. And the compost only needs to be removed once per season, such as in the Spring.
Google Compost Toilets and see for yourself.
As far as all these babies, people need to be responsible for babies they have. If they can't take care of the babies properly, they should be taken away and cared for properly. Yes, I believe the babies should be protected. Even if it's their own parents they need protection from.

April 2, 2008 - 12:04pm | hannah6

Renters pay property

taxes by enabling their landlords to pay their property taxes!!! If the landlords didn't have renters, they wouldn't be able to own their property and they wouldn't pay property taxes! Don't make renters lower class citizens by this kind of thinking!!!

April 2, 2008 - 12:10pm | alaskan_grown

Hannah6...the purpose of

Hannah6...the purpose of this persons post had nothing to do with making renters lower class citizens. That is totally beyond the point and entire subject. Thank you Mark Springer for your informative post.

April 2, 2008 - 12:26pm | hannah6

He made many points in

his post. I was addressing one of them, and people tend to do this all the time, say renters don't pay property taxes so they shouldn't have as much say, etc. By pointing out that renter's don't pay property taxes, in a climate such as this particular discussion, you are quite clearly relegating them to a lesser role in the economy. And it's B.S. Mark Springer brought it up, if you think it's irrelevant, tell him, not me.